Eneathedevil

The 60s and 70s were also pink flowers of peach blossoms, and especially the first album - among other things excellent - of prog in Italy made by Lucio Battisti: "Amore e non amore," played with those who would become PFM, not your beloved AREA. But let's skip further history lessons; in the '60s and '70s you didn't exhaust all that's to be exhausted. I repeat, you don't know much about cosmic music, nor about ambient music, and I don't think you even wade through new wave and so much other stuff. In the '60s and '70s, minimalists like Riley and Glass were making music of fundamental importance for what would become modern electronic music, and you, this time I'm not saying yes or no, don't know a thing. Eh, we have much to learn, John.

Oh, sorry, I hadn't noticed that you had replied about the issue of knowledge of krauto. My apologies, kiss.

<<<But come on, you’ve heard two albums in a month and now you’re talking about music history, when you got here you didn’t go beyond Battisti.>>>, and yet, who knows what you really knew, after all, you wonderfully glossed over the question of your personal knowledge about kraut, which you’ve improved A LOT on debaser. And then a few weeks after my arrival on Debaser, I reviewed an opera, so maybe I knew a bit more, and I knew about Stockhausen and Henry regardless of Debaser (after all, who ever reviewed it?), so it’s not that strange or unusual that I have to enlighten you on how electronic music was born. And it’s useless for you to keep making excuses: you said “born”, and fortunately some people read these things and form an idea about your knowledge.

So, which of your nonsense were we on? Well, about proto-electronics. <<< Because when playing the "let's go back" game, you end up realizing that even Stockhausen borrowed from someone who, in turn, borrowed from someone else. >>> Of course Stockhausen took from someone else, but what does that have to do with it? He didn't take ELECTRONICS. That discussion in the review of the Pink Floyd live show was about inspiration in general, not about a musical attitude. Since we're talking about electronics, I’m telling you that with Stockhausen, Riley, the first experiments took place, what do Roman tambourine players have to do with it... the Roman tambourine players didn’t have synths, Stockhausen and Varèse did. But please. And then all this just to veil, as usual, your ignorance about things, because you said "...it's just electronics, and there's not much to be done: it was born from the Kraut movement," where you made one of your usual sad blunders: you didn’t know about Stockhausen and you messed up. Now you say "the Kraut evolved the discussion A LOT until it became modern electronics," proving that in two seconds you can correct an opinion that can be easily dismantled. And that wrong opinion was dictated by a delightful ignorance regarding Stockhausen and associates. And then you go around acting cocky saying that I know nothing about prog... you skipped over about a thousand years of music, but never mind, come on.

Ciccio, I'm going to eat. We'll pick it up later, because there's still a lot to say. And a lot of love to spread.

Oh, well, at least in the second post you showed that you understood the issue. Well, it took some time. Think what you want, differing opinions. The first one, however, is questionable, and a lot. I’ve listened to Gesange der Junglinge, that’s the problem. And Boat-Woman-Song by Czukay in Canaxis V is clearly inspired by it. And also the Messe Pour Temps Present by Henry, which I’m sorry to shock you, but is much more modern than you think. Come on, I’ll send you a little piece privately and tell me what you think. And let me know if it’s proto-electronic.

And a little final note: <<< Uagh uagh uagh, always making a racket. >>> A couple of idiots, this time you started the commotion>>> Eheh, I made a critique of the definition, and since you always have to land on your feet, you started arguing back and forth. And I stick to mathematical rules just as you stick to your usual fanciful digressions, typically ending with a stereotypical phrase like "Eat healthy and return to nature." Come on, how many times do you get into petty arguments, how many times have you interrupted discussions that didn’t hit the mark just to stir up a little quarrel? Come on. Fourth kiss.

<<<Besides, this idea that electronic music is dead really cracks me up>>> See above. Kraut-rock is dead, not electronic music. Which didn’t start, much to your dismay, with Faust and company. I repeat, we can discuss opinions as much as we want, but there's little to argue about when it comes to the nonsense spoken out of ignorance of the facts. Third kiss.

I can't pass up this opportunity to annoy Mr. "I set the discussion on a term and not on the final concept of the sentence." I agree on the concept, I repeat. Not on the terms. If you don't like the discussion on definitions, you can choose not to continue it and retreat into a disdainful silence, but you're the one who keeps going... come on, you love the brawl :)

<<<And he even allows himself to "close the discussion" and urges me to let it go. The overdose of Kraut from the last six months has left him a bit confused; he assimilates both elements well (both Kraut and Prog), and we’ll talk about it again later. This discussion amuses me a lot because it’s the first time Enea tackles topics he knows nothing about (the Kraut-Prog relationship) and even contradicts himself, first saying that what I’m saying makes no sense, then agreeing with me.>>> I repeat: see above. You can listen to as much garbage as you want, but that doesn’t really give you the right to assert what you say as Gospel. Come on, you came to argue with me about Bennato, Battisti, and company, knowing nothing about it (now you deny, but who cares) and acted arrogant anyway. I don’t see why I shouldn’t take the same right about a movement, after all, which I don’t think you know much more about than I do, given that you, for example, don’t know anything about Kosmische Musik, or various other stuff. And don’t tell me that before your arrival on Debaser you had some sort of extensive knowledge about Kraut, because even the comments you left here make it clear that you discovered Czukay, Rother, and company through reviews from Ege, Airone, and others. So be humble and don’t pretend to possess some kind of infused knowledge. You certainly know more about prog than I do; I could even tattoo that on your forearms if you want, but as I said, merely knowing a certain amount of music doesn’t authorize anyone to claim they must be right. So Scaruffi only speaks great truths. Ah, got it.