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(...) you clearly said that you didn’t think that way, like me and Wanderer, who, I repeat for the two-thousandth time, affirm that, in the vast majority of cases, people go to the theater for the theater (or, as you precisely pointed out from a sociological perspective, Wand, for socializing, to be seen, for the "event," and I clarified more than anything for the love of the representation), not for the music. And we were discussing that, not the talk about the CD and the opera, the fact is that Wand inserted himself into that groove. And you are forgetful. And you are also... well, I'm sorry to have to say it, but for the long-sighted silence on what we discussed, the interest in outdated aspects that are outside the discussion, and the blindness shown in not wanting to admit your own viewpoints, well, yes, you are indeed an Elio Vito. I'm really sorry, but this time you deserve it.

(...) So I said: <<<Just see what happens if in an entire theater season out of 20 performances they include one Tosca and one Così fan tutte, but the other eighteen, as always happens, are La Figlia Del Reggimento, Maria Stuarda, Il Matrimonio Segreto, and I don't know what other ridiculous ballets, directed not by an Abbado or a Mehta, but by some unknown person, with performances not by Freni and Domingo, but by any old debutants. This is how theater seasons go around here, and I’m certainly not talking from some small town in the Apennines, so it's pointless for you to make any more idle digressions with photos of who-knows-who. Then I don’t understand if you can grasp what I’m saying: THE PEOPLE IN THE LOGGIONE UNDERSTAND MUSIC, THEY ARE THE ONES FROM THE THEATER WHO -perhaps- PREFER THE PERFORMANCE TO THE MUSIC! And yet you go around posting photos of those in the loggione, saying that they love theater and music, while for the past 200 posts I've been telling you that it’s just like that! Oh well! Tvb>>> and here you once again express your dissent, quoting me: <<<"that there is instead a much more established theater culture, for summary connoisseurs who love the performance more than the musical product." and that is not true, that’s all. Bye>>>...

...Wanderer spoke about the sociological aspect, as you said, and you are quite forgetful, my goodness, because I rambled about two hundred words on the sociological aspect, affirming for the same reasons stated and better analyzed by Wanderer that people go to the theater for theater, which you openly denied! And you even force me to do cut 'n' paste because you are lazy and forgetful! You start: <<<Moreover, there are various traditional theaters in Italy, frequented by crazy people who know not only the works but a thousand different versions of the same, who know the backstories, the gossip. This audience is anything but cold (and small), indeed. Also think about the "cultura del loggione".>>>, I reply: <<<Yes, more than the culture of the loggione, which I still find mostly reserved for connoisseurs, I would speak of the simpler "theater culture," that of those who buy annual subscriptions to theaters and are interested in everything that is performed.>>>, then you: <<<Indeed, often (though not always today) the loggione tickets (which have attracted and continue to attract the popular audience for price reasons) are purchased at the cost of long and "grueling" :) queues on the day of the show. The boos as well as the applause from the loggione have historically been very important and are considered by those who make opera. The "culture of the loggione," in short, was the culture of a lively and warm passion for lyricism. I don't know how it is elsewhere, but around here it still exists. And I must say that listening to programs like "la barcaccia," I think that the audience's relationship with this genre is still very strong and intense.>>> (...)

Oh my God, Hal, I didn't expect this from you, huh! The two fundamental questions raised in Puccini's review were: 1. Can lyricism be appreciated without theater? 2. Do people go to the theater for the theater or for the music? Now, on the first question, our comments slipped into a tacit "de gustibus," where I believe it suited us both that I can listen without necessarily needing to see, and you prefer the combination of the two: on this point, I had nothing more to discuss. The fact is, when I had to summarize for Josie on this page what had happened, I said: <<<So, the question was (and I'm quoting especially for Josie who is eager to know): Hal wrongly claims that the majority of people who go to the theater do so for the love of music (we're talking about ballets, operas, musicals), which means there exists a culture of music when one goes to such places. I rightly argue that the majority go to the theater for a greater love of the performance than of the music, which means there exists more of a general culture of theater.>>> That question about the indissolubility of vision-listening related to lyricism was all but dead: I'd said back then regarding Puccini <<<I give more importance to the CD than you do; after all, in terms of opinions, we can both have our say.>>> and you immediately agreed afterward <<<More than lesser importance to the CD, I would say it has a different kind of importance, but these are nuances because it's very clear what you mean. And all in all, I agree in saying that there can be a contextualized musical judgment.>>> From that moment on, the aspect hadn't been reconsidered, so it doesn't make much sense to bring it back up, especially since Wanderer didn't actually talk about that.

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Do you have a PhD thesis? Really? KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK

Tabba, stop being so gay and appreciate my philosophical-masturbatory effort! And listen to the samples, damn it!

...does not authorize, more than "do not authorize." A big hello to my friend Lost, for whom all my affection goes in memory of the times that were.

To the low-vote company, I say? Damn, how can you give a 3 to this album? Burns, are you serious? Outdated? Sure, the sound is a product of its time, but the deep variety of genres that coexist certainly doesn't warrant calling it "outdated." And even if it were, the substance and specific weight of this work do not justify such a modest rating.

And you know what I'm telling you? You're also undisciplined. If I were your philosophy teacher, I'd give you plenty of little taps on the hands, TAPS TAPS TAPS.