Prog87

But what is expressive for you is personal, you see! All of our discussions are ultimately subjective! There may be objective data, but in the end, we always return to the subjective.

But in my previous message, I explained what I mean by a fan! I completely understood your arguments, but why do you insist on viewing Queen's songs in this light? Pompous Excessive Pretentious... These are your judgments born out of bitterness, not mine. It's useless for Luca to say that he's talking about key signatures, arrangements, recording techniques, objective data. Yes, but with this, do you mean that a band is objectively invalid because it doesn’t fit into those parameters? What are they, and who establishes them? Music cannot be conceived in this way. @ 47 I refer to the simplicity of pieces like A Kind of Magic and Another One Bites the Dust. But this is also the greatness of music, the simplicity of a Smoke on the Water, a Wish You Were Here, a Start Me Up by the Rolling Stones. Or do we just want to limit ourselves to talking about technique and complex scores? Music is also this; in my opinion, it can be entertainment and lightheartedness as well.

One of the live performances I enjoy the most, the setlist is fantastic, the band is exceptional. Except for Appice, who I've never liked as a drummer, but that's just my opinion, of course. Dio is truly a great singer, I love the classics of Ozzy sung by him, but Ozzy is too unique; there are very few like him. Even though technically Dio is clearly superior, I still prefer The Madman.

Beautiful review, well done indeed, and I agree with what you say about Orme, too underrated in Italy. This is a record of great quality and change, we need more albums like this.

You hear Van Halen mentioning Brian May among his influences? I didn’t make that up. Brian's influence may not have carried the weight of Page’s influence. Fundamental? Not really. So, a knowledgeable person doesn’t have to be a "FAN." Look, I listen to everything, but really believe me, and I have no shame in saying that I’m a fan of Queen. Sure, here on Debaser there are tons of people like you, but you’re not some kind of chosen ones or anything. I used to make the same mistake as you, had an elitist conception of music, thinking that what the masses like is bad. Now I couldn’t care less about that, I appreciate music, any music that gives me emotions, even pop, who cares! To you, I might not understand a thing, I’ll just be a stubborn Queen FAN, but I think that Queen carries a universal lesson: music truly has no barriers. As I said, beauty can also lie in simplicity; you just need to know how to grasp it in that context. That's why I also like the ‘80s productions of bands like Genesis—check out albums like Abacab, the self-titled one, Invisible Touch! I think they’re great albums, and I listen to a lot of progressive music, but not the hyper-technical ’90s progressive, rather the glorious ‘70s stuff, and you’ll know bands like Gentle Giant and many others. Where’s the harm in being a FAN? What do you imagine me at 21, drooling over Freddie Mercury? Come on, being a fan can be understood in a very broad way if you want. You even had the nerve to latch on to that joke I made about Luca's physique, but come on, it was clear that it was in a completely joking tone. Maybe we’re on two different wavelengths, no maybe about it. I’ve never pretended to want to change your ideas nor does anyone have that right. However, I ask you to show respect for a historic band, and I already gave you the example of a band like the Ramones. That’s the purpose of my messages. I want to give a piece of advice; perhaps sometimes I come across poorly, I’m aware of that, but I think history deserves respect above all. It wouldn’t feel right to shoot down people like the Beatles or even Pink Floyd, but for many great bands of the past, it’s often easy for us posterity to say those arrangements should have sounded a certain way, they’re too simplistic. But come on, we’re talking about over thirty years ago! I don’t know if I’ve conveyed the concept. If you’ve taken me for a stubborn fan or whatever, you’ve made a mistake. I’m sorry for that, for being misinterpreted; I have valid arguments to put forward.

The fact that you can't appreciate songs like "We Are the Champions" or "We Will Rock You" says a lot about your conception of music. You have an elitist view of music. There's the music that only we "instrument technicians" can understand, and that which is pushed by record labels to the rough and incompetent masses... But you know what? Music goes beyond this conception, music has no barriers; it's a free field. Can you believe that I've rediscovered the pleasure of listening to tracks like "I Want to Break Free" and "Radio Ga Ga"? But damn, making a pop song isn’t a walk in the park. If you want, I can share an interview with Vittorio Nocenzi - keyboardist of Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso - where he talks about how much harder it is for him to write a pop song compared to the complex scores of Banco. You see? This is to help you understand that switching from hard rock to pop, to vaudeville pieces like "Lazing on a Sunday Afternoon" or "Good Old-Fashioned Lover Boy," is no easy task. Transitioning through country, blues, and then arriving at hard-hitting pieces like "Stone Cold Crazy," only to immerse yourself in the sweetness of tracks like "Nevermore" or "Love of My Life." The Queen were all of this; they were truly an excellent band.

Oh, the kid is a bit long-winded, but you don't impress me. So, without talking about Gregorian chants and the like, find me a hard rock band like the early 70s Queen that could bridge these distant worlds. You can't answer me and I understand if you don't like them and find them pretentious; that's your business. Second question, you don’t like girls with curves?? I do, and after all, it's rock n roll. The Queen never intended to change the world or whatever, and should we talk about the lyrics of Deep Purple? Arrangements for rough ears and various nonsense... Listen, and here I close: you on Debaser are nobody, just like I’m nobody. But do you know what the difference between you and me is? I have great humility and recognize the importance of great masters, while you put yourself above others as if you could speak for everyone. You have the gall to say that May is a shitty guitarist when no one damn well played like him. You consider music outside the context in which it was born if you talk like that; the Queen revolutionized a lot in the studio and live. And if they made songs like Bicycle, well, it’s one of the band's best pieces. It’s an ironic piece, it’s made to entertain, it’s made to provoke... You will never be able to understand a group like the Queen; in their simplicity, they are much more complex than a piece by Area or King Crimson. I’m not ashamed to say it; I listen to a lot of prog, sure this is a subjective opinion, MINE. But it’s OBJECTIVE that in 1975 NOBODY played like the Queen. Now, for you, the arrangements might be too pretentious and the like, and thus we return to the sphere of the subjective, you see? But the objective fact is this and you will acknowledge it too. They may not appeal to you, and you have every right in this world not to like them, but don’t try to erase the importance of the Queen. Have you ever heard SAD WINGS OF DESTINY by Judas Priest? It’s an album where you can find influences from the Queen, just as we find in groups like Savatage. Even bands like Def Leppard were influenced by the Queen, then Van Halen from May... But have you ever heard pieces like Dead on Time from jazz? In my opinion, you should thoroughly reassess a group like the Queen; you’re making a big mistake, limiting yourself to too technical a conception of music. You should broaden your horizons; I used to have a similar conception of music. I still enjoy odd times, suites, songs that have nothing to do with the song format. But music is also simplicity; it's also the ability to make an entire stadium sing, to get millions of people to clap their hands. The Queen was also that. You haven’t insulted anyone; we're still on subjective opinions, both mine and yours.

Great album A life wasted is truly a spectacle, they have captured an incredible vibe in this record, and they are already working on the next one!! Great band that of Eddie Vedder.

I’m telling the truth, dear, it’s you who is going against the tide here. Reread your famous message and if you have a bit of objectivity, you’ll agree that you spoke of primates. But do you think I don’t know the things you know? Do you think I’m not familiar with the Yardbirds?? A Led Zeppelin fan like me then… Bye bye, dear.

Beautiful review 47. This album means evolving and keeping up with the times. Great band that of Fripp, oh my, truly great.