"I want to see if under oath they will have the courage to not tell the truth."
But werenât you friends with Facchetti?
âYes, but letâs leave Facchetti aside, I donât want to say anything about him. Those would be too heavy things.â Do you think that the trial will bring out a different image of the winning Inter of those years? âI donât know, I don't care. If I really wanted to harm Inter, I would have written many other things in that book. I would have talked about rigged matches and bought referees, especially in the cups. Instead, I let it go...â
But was it only Inter that was doping back then?
âOf course not. I was also in Fiorentina and Lazio, so I can directly speak about those experiences too. In Florence, on Saturday mornings, either the masseur or the team doctor would come by and make us have drips, the same ones Bruno Beatrice talked about to his wife. I was in the room with Giancarlo De Sisti and we took them together. Not that they were mandatory, but those who didnât take them rarely played. It is now known that in that team, besides Bruno Beatrice, Ugo Ferrante (heart attack in 2003) and Nello Saltutti (cancer in 2004) have died. Others have had very serious illnesses, like Mimmo Caso, Massimo Mattolini, and De Sisti himself...â
De Sisti denies having doped.
â'Picchio' says one thing on television, when weâre out together smoking a cigarette he says another...â
And at Lazio?
âThere they gave us Villescon, a drug that made you not feel fatigue. It came directly from the pharmacy. Stuff that made you run like a train.â
Other teams?
âWhen Herrera moved to Roma, he brought the same methods he had used at Inter. What do you think the Roma striker Giuliano Taccola died of at 26 during a trip to Cagliari in '69?â
But why do you think no one is speaking out even now? They are all â you are â in your sixties now...
âThose who are still in football donât want to expose themselves, they fear being left out of the loop. They are all tied to a system, they donât want to lose their privileges, go on TV, and so on. Take my brother: he was treated terribly by Inter, they kicked him out in a horrible way and even took away his honorary membership to enter San Siro, yet he is still afraid of antagonizing the Inter executives and always speaks wonderfully about them on TV. Mariolino Corso, one who also had serious heart problems due to those pills, goes around saying he doesnât even know me. Even Angelillo, who had serious heart issues, doesnât want to say anything: he knows, he still works as a scout for Inter. The only ones talking about those years are the relatives of those who have passed away, like Gabriella Beatrice or Alessio Saltutti, Nelloâs son. It is with them, thanks to the lawyer of Mrs. Beatrice, Odo Lombardo, that an association of doping victims in football is now being formed.â
Of course, if a great champion like your brother were on your side, your battle would have an extraordinary spokesperson...
âTo put it bluntly, Sandro doesnât have the guts to do something like that.â
And today, do you think doping still exists?
âYes, especially in amateur leagues, where there are no controls: that's where they pump themselves like beasts. What pains me the most, though, are the kids...â
The kids?
âNow they are starting to give pills and brews from the age of 14-15. I work with the team from Borghesiana, in Rome, where my son Michele also plays, and I always tell the kids to be careful even with hot tea, if they donât know whatâs in it. Iâve also given a statement to the juvenile court in Milan: dozens of complaints are coming in from fathers and mothers whose children are taking strange stuff, maybe they run like crazy on the field and then fall asleep at their desks the next day in school. Thatâs who Iâm bringing all this out for.â