CaptainHowdy

Just the Maiden is enough ;-)

Fuck, I'm not used to having all these "guests".. thanks everyone!
So @S4: I'm already in sight! @Pata: spin the wheel, spin it.. oh wait, that was a different quiz... ;-) @Defender: the 29th, not the 28th, I made a mistake in comment 19.. @Battle: you saw the second part of the Tournee' where they adopted a more traditional setlist, it was the same in Mestre too. @Iside: not enough (I dreamed of being the Pivot when I was little...) @Emo: no way, it's mine! ;-) @47: Hooray! ;-) @Rip: one day you'll explain the shadow to me (the cross is better left alone..) @Fusillo: at least you haven't gained too much weight then...

Musical Arguments?

I apologize, the Priests are confirmed for the 29th...

How nice to see so many people! So: @Saputello: you already corrected me ;-) @Jim: yeah... @GBrunoro: I'm a bit anxious too... @Defender: ;-) @Azzo: the diagnosis is pretty much on point, except in my dreams I'm the one copulating with both... ;-) @Bonny: come on, Bologna is close... @Neu! I might not rule out giving some help again... @Autopilot: I do and even for the reformed Carcass... @Slim: the Maiden are now an icon of themselves, whether there are two, three, or 15,000 guitars matters little.. @Fenrir: Thanks to you! @Jake: I always arrive late; someone else always responds ;-) @Hetfield: No! @Bartle, feel free to take my place as much as you want;-) I'll answer for Autopilot then... for now we know the Headliners for the 27th (Maiden) and the 28th (Priest), and there's talk about Carcass being present on the last day @Male: I know it’s ugly ;-) @Green: you’ll be able to see them this summer in Bologna as already mentioned..

For people smarter than me, I meant some Debaser users who share my opinion on this album; I hadn't even considered Scaruffi, and I didn't even know he gave this album a passing grade, and honestly, I don't care much because I don't appreciate Piero either. Just to clarify...

Oh God, I even made a mistake in the correction.. KRAFTWERK.. okay, okay, sorry…
Thank you all for now, I’ll come back later to respond individually.

Judge, it might be useful to have an analysis of the myriad reviews on "Nevermind," given that the same things have been said since '91; there may be three of these (just as there are few about Trent, on the other hand), but generally, they try to dig into the essence without getting too caught up in appearances, which happens far too often, at least that's my feeling. By the way, just to avoid misunderstandings, I like "Nevermind."

So 1) they spark discussions from a musical standpoint; "by immersing" yourself in the genre, I assure you that with many Reznorian solutions (including the noises and sounds that Fidia refers to, which, however, are absolutely not out of place...) found here, you often encounter them 2) production, from my point of view, is fundamental to the value of an album; if you read my first comment, indeed I have doubts about who holds the actual merit for the work in question. A producer like Reznor should be considered an additional musician (and the same applies for point 1, his way of doing it is still a source of inspiration for those who venture into the genre). Many albums considered (though perhaps not by me) masterpieces today would receive less recognition if they hadn’t had a "thoughtful" approach (to pair with creative work and the actual act of putting ideas into music) that was remarkable. Let me name one just to stir a bit of controversy: "Nevermind" by Nirvana. 3) In my opinion, here pop can be felt everywhere, from the chorus of "The Beautiful People" to that of "Man that you Fear," passing through the single chord of "Mr. Superstar." It’s just that it’s not the classic chart pop but it is catchy, yet decidedly measured (if you let me use the elegant term?) which has now become a trademark of many proponents of the movement. Honestly, I don’t find many albums where this blends with the noisy industrial accents in a way that I find extremely harmonious.
I don’t believe, while respecting his opinion, that Fidia has the correct idea this time; it's been 10 years (or almost) since this album, and many songs (including those I mentioned above) are still on loop in people's heads. And it doesn't seem to me, regardless of what is said, that they are in heavy rotation on the radio or TV. In fact, I will tell you that the songs by (I speak in plural because for me they were a project and not a single) Marilyn Manson that will be forgotten quickly are those that usually enjoy various airings, namely those picked from the worthless "Mechanical Animals."
Regarding your final consideration about the character of Manson, I think just the opposite—"Antichrist Superstar" will be remembered (as I believe two of his other works, "Portrait" and "Holywood") despite the persona. The fact that usually all his work is belittled by only criticizing his "theatricality" makes me think that in the end, many of the disadvantages Brian has created for himself due to his attitudes. On one thing I agree with you: history is the true "judge," but in this case, years have already passed, and they're still talking about it. And as you can see musically, how many more do we have to let pass? One last thing, I usually don’t do copy-paste... ;-). Take care.

I'm talking about music, not image; musically this is a great album (for various reasons, because it contains songs that whether you like it or not still spark discussion, because Reznor's production is masterful, because it brings Industrial into contact with Pop, in the positive sense of the term... etc., etc.), then my opinion may not be worth much, but (thankfully) there are people much smarter than me who agree with this, while usually those who aren't pull out the usual image arguments (and this is objective) which I couldn't care less about. Think what you want; it's not that I don't care about your opinion, Judge, but here our positions are too far apart, and it seems pretty clear to both of us, only mine is based on Music, that’s all. You can't separate the persona from the artistic form in this case, and (for me) that's wrong.