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Yes DaveJon, you're right. "The Division Bell" is better than the other two. It's still, in my opinion, a second-rate album...

Never liked them! Seriously, all due respect to those who listen to them, but if I'm being honest, I've always hated them deeply. It’s probably my own limitation, but I just can’t understand what’s so interesting about them. A singer who, no matter how skilled, has a voice that can only be described as indigestible is an understatement, guitarists competing to see who can play the fastest and coolest solo while forgetting about the music, the same chords over and over (after all, solos are what really matter, right?!), themes so self-referential that they verge on the ridiculous. Pure show-off! They might be among the founders of metal and perhaps that made sense many years ago, but now they have truly crossed every line.

I could never write a review of one of their albums; I would be too biased. Maybe I wouldn’t even be able to do it with "The Final Cut," "Momentary Lapse," and "The Division Bell," which are admittedly, to varying degrees, their least successful albums. It's inexplicable: only Pink Floyd have the power to make me fall in love even with their worst records.

X Stoopid: I don't know anything about Hackett's solo work, but I highly recommend "Nursery Cryme" by Genesis, the first album with Hackett and Phil Collins. All the albums from the Gabriel era are worth listening to (there's a beautiful instrumental guitar piece, "Horizons," in "Foxtrot," just to stay on the Hackett theme), but for some reason, I absolutely love "Nursery Cryme"!

Great debate. I'm dying of laughter, damn it. Anyway, I don't really like the review.

How disgusting this... But can we really call it a review?!

To tell the truth, it’s also mine, only perhaps it was misunderstood when read in the review. Anyway, you’re not wrong; I could have spent a few words on the new wave influence. I still maintain the opinion that it can be traced back to the entire genre, if not largely to a good part of it.

It doesn't distort it, but rather expands it. The structures are much more linear than those of the future, the writing is more essential in Screaming Life/Fopp, and sorry if that’s not much. In my opinion, these are not characteristics of a well-established and defined style, but rather still immature, although still very engaging. Songs like those from Badmotorfinger and Superunknown, but also from Louder Than Love, I find stylistically more complete; the production and recording are better, and the arrangements more refined.

I don't entirely share this opinion. It's true that Soundgarden has something in common with new wave: the leaden atmospheres and a certain nihilism (which is also typical of punk, as I mentioned). But these leaden atmospheres are present throughout grunge music, so I would find a statement (to echo Eddy Cilia's) like: "grunge would be inconceivable without Joy Division" to be more accurate (Layne Staley of Alice In Chains has been compared to Ian Curtis on ondarock). It may also be true that Entering resembles the song you mention by Bauhaus (unfortunately I know them little and therefore I won't contest you, indeed, you might be right), but in general, I find the influence of new wave in Soundgarden to be quite marginal compared to that of Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin, whose atmospheres are not much less leaden than those of new wave, and not only that. Furthermore, I think the style is not even completely defined: the tracks on this album are shorter and more direct than the future songs. Although you can already hear in these 2 EPs that they are Soundgarden, the subsequent albums consist of longer and more elaborate songs. In my opinion, they carved out their path over time, regardless of what Cilia says...

Sorry, I meant like that of Caliban. That of Taproot by wolf85 has nothing to do with it, actually it's fine.