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Best Progressive album of all time
Ci sarà un solo album per ogni artista/gruppo progressive, per questo sarà scarna, non è necessariamente vincolata alla classifica dei migliori gruppi progressive... Non c'è alcun album dei Rush perché personalmente non li ho mai reputati progressive, ma li ho sempre visti come un hard rock con influenze progressive. Non fustigatemi per quello che ho appena affermato...
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  • TheJargonKing
    TheJargonKing
    18 jul 16
    Great! Expandable but great.
     
    • tonysoprano
      18 jul 16
      I choose one for each artist/group. It will be expanded in the future.
    • tonysoprano
      18 jul 16
      I don't include Rock Bottom because I consider it something unclassifiable in terms of genre, just like the Area, which are indeed absent. No Kraut rock because it's so varied that it deserves a genre of its own.
    • TheJargonKing
      18 jul 16
      As I see it, this very inclassifiability makes Rock Bottom, in every way, a progressive album, which is the least classifiable genre that exists. As for kraut rock, I see it as a clear subgenre of progressive, just like Canterbury or Zeuhl. Many times (actually almost always) kraut rock is more progressive than many other things that are typically included in the genre. In fact, I will tell you that in the origins of the term progressive (let's say around the mid-70s), the progressive scene included kraut, electronic, and cosmic bands, while Genesis, Yes, and the like were preferred to be referred to as symphonic rock, or art rock, or melodic rock, or sweet rock, and various other labels.
    • TheJargonKing
      18 jul 16
      For the Area, a similar discourse applies. Their jazz rock + avant-garde + experimentation + world music + popular music creates a mix that can only be defined within progressive. Recently, I talked about this on Facebook with Tavolazzi, who told me that although he doesn't like labels, which are always too restrictive, the only term that can summarize all their music-making remains progressive and its spatiality.
    • tonysoprano
      18 jul 16
      Did you talk to Tavolazzi? Great!
    • tonysoprano
      18 jul 16
      Apart from Rock Bottom, if I include it, I'll place it first.
    • TheJargonKing
      18 jul 16
      Facebook is a tool that brings people closer who otherwise would never have met. I had the chance to talk to idols from my youth that I always saw on an unreachable pedestal, and instead now ...
    • tonysoprano
      18 jul 16
      Yeah, it’s always like this... it gets wasted...
    • tonysoprano
      18 jul 16
      I chose one for each group (that I know), because otherwise I would make a mess.
    • Kotatsu
      3 aug 16
      Despite the fact that obviously a member of Area whose name I can't recall (maybe Tofani or maybe Tavolazzi) stated that they had nothing to do with classicism and other characteristics of progressive... Even if, as @[TheJargonKing] rightly points out, they can obviously be labeled within that genre, which is by definition the least restrictive of all. :)
    • Kotatsu
      3 aug 16
      Sorry, my comment is the crasis of two different sentences (#addiodolcefavella). The "nonostante ovviamente" and the subjunctive in the first part are a mistake :)
    • tonysoprano
      3 aug 16
      The Area remain uncatalogable, like a Rock Bottom and like a Trout Mask Replica.
    • TheJargonKing
      3 aug 16
      I wouldn’t be so drastic. Trout Mask is an experimental blues album, Rock Bottom is a Progressive album. On the other hand, the variety of the progressive container allows for labeling anything, as long as it’s well done, cross-cutting, not trivial, not danceable, with uncertain and jagged margins, experimental, but not too much, avant-garde as long as it’s forward-looking, personal, passionate, complex, but not convoluted. It seems that Rock Bottom was born to be the benchmark of Progressive; it fits in like very few other things, Zappa for example or Pink Floyd until '72 :))
    • tonysoprano
      3 aug 16
      rock bottom is one of the most versatile albums ever.
    • Kotatsu
      3 aug 16
      Therefore, it's Prog :)
    • Kotatsu
      3 aug 16
      Even though I would be cautious with labels in many cases
    • tonysoprano
      3 aug 16
      Here. With Area, the prog label feels heavy to me. I don’t know why, but I see them as fusion.
    • tonysoprano
      3 aug 16
      Then these rankings need to be enhanced. Afterwards, I'll sort them out properly, even though the top 5 will remain the top 5.
    • Kotatsu
      3 aug 16
      Fusion seems a bit forced to me.
    • tonysoprano
      3 aug 16
      So, an experimental jazz rock
    • TheJargonKing
      3 aug 16
      so prog ... hahahahah :))
    • tonysoprano
      3 aug 16
      eh ok LOL
    • tonysoprano
      3 aug 16
      All right, I'll add them :)
    • TheJargonKing
      3 aug 16
      Come on, we're just joking... do whatever you think is best :))
    • tonysoprano
      3 aug 16
      I realized that after all, I'm a bit prog. Maledetti remains my favorite along with Crac!. Although with Area, it's impossible to choose the best album.
  • bluesboy94
    bluesboy94
    18 jul 16
    I don't know how much the Third Ear Band has to do with the rest.
     
    • tonysoprano
      18 jul 16
      in what sense?
    • TheJargonKing
      18 jul 16
      The subgenre they belong to (indo prog-raga rock) is marginally progressive, but it is usually accepted in the progressive scene. Musically, I find them pleasant, but I don't particularly love their music, which I consider decidedly less progressive than all of Kraut rock, for example.
  • zaireeka
    zaireeka
    24 aug 16
    None of the first three Kaipa albums? I would at least include Inget nyt under solen...
     
  • zaireeka
    zaireeka
    24 aug 16
    I understand that you like prog when it's more "experimental," otherwise you would have included more Genesis.
     
    • tonysoprano
      24 aug 16
      I wouldn't say that! I like prog in (almost) all its facets, whether it's melodic or experimental ;D
  • zaireeka
    zaireeka
    24 aug 16
    Another thing... And the Italian prog??
     
    • tonysoprano
      24 aug 16
      1. I don't know Kaipa.
      2. I put on an album for the group.
      3. Italian prog is a world apart for me.
    • tonysoprano
      24 aug 16
      What influences do Kaipa have?
  • zaireeka
    zaireeka
    24 aug 16
    In my opinion, Genesis and Yes above all. But their great peculiarity is that they are Swedish and sing in Swedish. Most of their melodies are classical or refer to traditional Scandinavian memories. Some are very playful. The guitar solos by Roine Stolt are, in my opinion, splendid. I adore them. Try listening to just one track, inget nyt under solen, or total forvirring.
     
  • zaireeka
    zaireeka
    24 aug 16
    Their first three albums (the one that comes after is absolutely negligible) are from the early 70s.
     
    • tonysoprano
      24 aug 16
      What do you think about the ranking anyway?
  • zaireeka
    zaireeka
    24 aug 16
    Absolutely whenever you feel like it :-)
     
  • zaireeka
    zaireeka
    24 aug 16
    For me, Genesis are the best compromise of all the factors I love about prog. Then come KC. VDGG can only be listened to, with pleasure, when one is serene. Their art, however, is truly great.
     
  • zaireeka
    zaireeka
    24 aug 16
    For me, they are the first three.
     
  • zaireeka
    zaireeka
    24 aug 16
    For me, they are the first three.
     
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