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  TheJargonKing

  18 jul 16

  Great! Expandable but great.

   

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  • tonysoprano

    18 jul 16

    I choose one for each artist/group. It will be expanded in the future.

  • tonysoprano

    18 jul 16

    I don't include Rock Bottom because I consider it something unclassifiable in terms of genre, just like the Area, which are indeed absent. No Kraut rock because it's so varied that it deserves a genre of its own.

  • TheJargonKing

    18 jul 16

    As I see it, this very inclassifiability makes Rock Bottom, in every way, a progressive album, which is the least classifiable genre that exists. As for kraut rock, I see it as a clear subgenre of progressive, just like Canterbury or Zeuhl. Many times (actually almost always) kraut rock is more progressive than many other things that are typically included in the genre. In fact, I will tell you that in the origins of the term progressive (let's say around the mid-70s), the progressive scene included kraut, electronic, and cosmic bands, while Genesis, Yes, and the like were preferred to be referred to as symphonic rock, or art rock, or melodic rock, or sweet rock, and various other labels.

  • TheJargonKing

    18 jul 16

    For the Area, a similar discourse applies. Their jazz rock + avant-garde + experimentation + world music + popular music creates a mix that can only be defined within progressive. Recently, I talked about this on Facebook with Tavolazzi, who told me that although he doesn't like labels, which are always too restrictive, the only term that can summarize all their music-making remains progressive and its spatiality.

  • tonysoprano

    18 jul 16

    Did you talk to Tavolazzi? Great!

  • tonysoprano

    18 jul 16

    Apart from Rock Bottom, if I include it, I'll place it first.

  • TheJargonKing

    18 jul 16

    Facebook is a tool that brings people closer who otherwise would never have met. I had the chance to talk to idols from my youth that I always saw on an unreachable pedestal, and instead now ...

  • tonysoprano

    18 jul 16

    Yeah, it’s always like this... it gets wasted...

  • tonysoprano

    18 jul 16

    I chose one for each group (that I know), because otherwise I would make a mess.

  • Kotatsu

    3 aug 16

    Despite the fact that obviously a member of Area whose name I can't recall (maybe Tofani or maybe Tavolazzi) stated that they had nothing to do with classicism and other characteristics of progressive... Even if, as @[TheJargonKing] rightly points out, they can obviously be labeled within that genre, which is by definition the least restrictive of all. :)

  • Kotatsu

    3 aug 16

    Sorry, my comment is the crasis of two different sentences (#addiodolcefavella). The "nonostante ovviamente" and the subjunctive in the first part are a mistake :)

  • tonysoprano

    3 aug 16

    The Area remain uncatalogable, like a Rock Bottom and like a Trout Mask Replica.

  • TheJargonKing

    3 aug 16

    I wouldn’t be so drastic. Trout Mask is an experimental blues album, Rock Bottom is a Progressive album. On the other hand, the variety of the progressive container allows for labeling anything, as long as it’s well done, cross-cutting, not trivial, not danceable, with uncertain and jagged margins, experimental, but not too much, avant-garde as long as it’s forward-looking, personal, passionate, complex, but not convoluted. It seems that Rock Bottom was born to be the benchmark of Progressive; it fits in like very few other things, Zappa for example or Pink Floyd until '72 :))

  • tonysoprano

    3 aug 16

    rock bottom is one of the most versatile albums ever.

  • Kotatsu

    3 aug 16

    Therefore, it's Prog :)

  • Kotatsu

    3 aug 16

    Even though I would be cautious with labels in many cases

  • tonysoprano

    3 aug 16

    Here. With Area, the prog label feels heavy to me. I don’t know why, but I see them as fusion.

  • tonysoprano

    3 aug 16

    Then these rankings need to be enhanced. Afterwards, I'll sort them out properly, even though the top 5 will remain the top 5.

  • Kotatsu

    3 aug 16

    Fusion seems a bit forced to me.

  • tonysoprano

    3 aug 16

    So, an experimental jazz rock

  • TheJargonKing

    3 aug 16

    so prog ... hahahahah :))

  • tonysoprano

    3 aug 16

    eh ok LOL

  • tonysoprano

    3 aug 16

    All right, I'll add them :)

  • TheJargonKing

    3 aug 16

    Come on, we're just joking... do whatever you think is best :))

  • tonysoprano

    3 aug 16

    I realized that after all, I'm a bit prog. Maledetti remains my favorite along with Crac!. Although with Area, it's impossible to choose the best album.
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  bluesboy94

  18 jul 16

  I don't know how much the Third Ear Band has to do with the rest.

   

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  • tonysoprano

    18 jul 16

    in what sense?

  • TheJargonKing

    18 jul 16

    The subgenre they belong to (indo prog-raga rock) is marginally progressive, but it is usually accepted in the progressive scene. Musically, I find them pleasant, but I don't particularly love their music, which I consider decidedly less progressive than all of Kraut rock, for example.
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  zaireeka

  24 aug 16

  None of the first three Kaipa albums? I would at least include Inget nyt under solen...

   

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  zaireeka

  24 aug 16

  I understand that you like prog when it's more "experimental," otherwise you would have included more Genesis.

   

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  • tonysoprano

    24 aug 16

    I wouldn't say that! I like prog in (almost) all its facets, whether it's melodic or experimental ;D
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  zaireeka

  24 aug 16

  Another thing... And the Italian prog??

   

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  • tonysoprano

    24 aug 16

    1. I don't know Kaipa.
    2. I put on an album for the group.
    3. Italian prog is a world apart for me.

  • tonysoprano

    24 aug 16

    What influences do Kaipa have?
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  zaireeka

  24 aug 16

  In my opinion, Genesis and Yes above all. But their great peculiarity is that they are Swedish and sing in Swedish. Most of their melodies are classical or refer to traditional Scandinavian memories. Some are very playful. The guitar solos by Roine Stolt are, in my opinion, splendid. I adore them. Try listening to just one track, inget nyt under solen, or total forvirring.

   

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  • tonysoprano

    24 aug 16

    When I have time
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  zaireeka

  24 aug 16

  Their first three albums (the one that comes after is absolutely negligible) are from the early 70s.

   

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  • tonysoprano

    24 aug 16

    What do you think about the ranking anyway?
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  zaireeka

  24 aug 16

  Absolutely whenever you feel like it :-)

   

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  zaireeka

  24 aug 16

  For me, Genesis are the best compromise of all the factors I love about prog. Then come KC. VDGG can only be listened to, with pleasure, when one is serene. Their art, however, is truly great.

   

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  • tonysoprano

    24 aug 16

    I love the generator. To madness.
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  zaireeka

  24 aug 16

  For me, they are the first three.

   

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  zaireeka

  24 aug 16

  For me, they are the first three.

   

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