CappellaioMatto

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Worst Rock artist of all time
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  • TheJargonKing
    TheJargonKing
    10 feb 10
    I like this a lot.
     
  • quadrophenia73
    quadrophenia73
    23 may 10
    me too :)
     
  • SilasLang
    SilasLang
    19 mar 14
    I really like the first two places :-) a lot! The last two, much less, but I respect others' (dis)tastes.
     
  • CappellaioMatto
    CappellaioMatto
    19 mar 14
    I'm sorry, but when you put the worst in, someone always gets hurt unfortunately.
     
  • geenoo
    geenoo
    19 mar 14
    The ranking could make sense if you hadn't placed Supertramp, the Eagles, and Simple Minds in your other ranking of the greatest of all time. Anyway, to dispel any doubts, I'll clarify that for me it doesn't make sense when I read Bob as the fourth worst rock artist of all time... Brrrrrr
     
  • CappellaioMatto
    CappellaioMatto
    19 mar 14
    For me and for others, it makes sense. For you, it doesn't. That's alright. The groups you mentioned and that I placed in my ranking of the best sound definitely better then.
     
  • geenoo
    geenoo
    19 mar 14
    Hatmaker, don't involve others; I'm talking to you. How sad is it to justify one’s own choice with support from “others”? Patience, of course, it’s for discussion, isn’t it? Are we going to be offended? So, the Eagles are clearly better than Springsteen, Supertramp better than Blur (or Nirvana, take your pick), and above all, Simple Minds better than Dylan??? I don’t know how old you are, and that could be an excuse, but I lived through the '80s, especially the second half, and Simple Minds, much like Supertramp in certain respects, weren't exactly considered rock geniuses. Oh, it may be that in the meantime, with albums I’m not familiar with, they have surpassed Dylan.
     
    • rolando303
      19 mar 14
      Recapping: for you, Supertramp are no better than Blur or Nirvana?
    • CappellaioMatto
      19 mar 14
      Simple Minds still rock the house now that they’re closer to 50 than to 60, with over two and a half hours of concert. Just a month ago at Alcatraz was enough to realize it. Bob Dylan, I reiterate, is a great poet, but musically he puts you to sleep.
    • rolando303
      19 mar 14
      I'm waiting for geenoo for his response about Supertramp. For me, 5 of their songs are worth all the Nirvana. Between Kurt's voice and Novoselic on bass, good luck.
    • CappellaioMatto
      19 mar 14
      Supertramp had infinite class and perfect style; to snub them just for their pop winks is criminal.
    • geenoo
      19 mar 14
      At this point, perhaps Capp, you've gotten the title of the ranking wrong: Best/Worst Rock Artist of All Time. We're not talking about who plays or sings better. Between Supertramp and Nirvana, who do you think will remain important historically? Between Dylan and the Simple Minds? But above all, are the Simple Minds rock??????? Are Supertramp rock??? Oh, and if you like the Simple Minds (which I remember for two songs without content), that's fine. If you consider Supertramp (which I remember for three classy but chart-topping pop songs) among the rock elite while dismissing albums like Born to Run or Nebraska by Springsteen, that's okay, but don't complain later if tomatoes come flying from everywhere.
    • geenoo
      19 mar 14
      But you're driving me crazy: if I think about the second half of the '80s between The Joshua Tree and Street Fighting, come on....!
    • CappellaioMatto
      19 mar 14
      The Simple Minds are a band that knows how to rock incredibly well. Damn, they really do. Dylan is the antithesis of rock, despite being considered rock by those who don’t know the definition of rock. I’ve said it before, the Simple Minds played a rock concert over two and a half hours long with the power to blow your mind a month ago. A month ago, not back in the early '80s when they were making new wave music. They are a multifaceted band with a thousand resources. Often snubbed by critics, but from my point of view, that’s only a good thing. You remember the Simple Minds for two content-less songs? Then you’re ignorant, so don’t come talking to me about the history of rock. Let me mimic you. I remember Nirvana because they blatantly copied a piece from Killing Joke. What history of rock? You must mean the history of the popped pimple. Can you explain to me what the hell is left of grunge?
    • CappellaioMatto
      19 mar 14
      Street Fighting Years is the eighth album by Simple Minds, U2 are light years away musically. Delay for 30 years ALWAYS THE SAME and chicken-like aphonia. Do you measure music by commercial success? Oh right, the Blur, the Nirvana, the forucoli, the Nutellone on the cheeks......
    • geenoo
      19 mar 14
      But will they know how to "rock" and what does that mean? If the critics are tearing them apart, maybe it's because they've realized they don’t say a damn thing. Well, it's a matter of taste. I remember Simple Minds in the '80s; they seemed like messiahs but by the end of that decade, they popped like a balloon. A lot of grunge has remained, let’s not say bullshit. Instead, tell me what’s left of that fake, glossy rock glamour of Simple Minds? And Supertramp?
    • geenoo
      19 mar 14
      I also remember the first one by Simple New Gold Dream, but it was always dull.
    • CappellaioMatto
      19 mar 14
      but what fake rock glamour? Glam rock is stuff from 10 years earlier, alright that I’m a David Bowie fan but let’s not confuse decades, please. Go watch a serious concert, anything but Blur.
    • CappellaioMatto
      19 mar 14
      New Gold Dream was the fifth album by Simple Minds. There’s a track, Hunter and the Hunted, featuring a magnificent (for those who know music) intro by Herbie Hancock on keyboards. He decided to collaborate with Simple Minds because he sensed something weak in that platinum record. Say hi to Coxon Femorale and the hip osteoarthritis. And also to the lumbosciatica.
    • geenoo
      19 mar 14
      I've seen a lot of things from the early '90s up until a few months ago. And there have never been either Blur, or the Simple, or Supertramp. Why do you think seeing a concert makes the albums sound better? Sure, not glam rock, but a certain glam pop-rock typical of the '80s. Anyway, in the end, I certainly don’t have to shake you off your tastes, and that’s not what I wanted to do. It's your two charts that ooze rock blood. P.S. And yes, Dylan isn't exactly rock despite his electric albums from the '70s, especially. I would definitely say more folk... but you placed him in the all-time rock chart!!!!!
    • geenoo
      19 mar 14
      Alright, you definitely got me with the Simple Minds story. Did Herbie Hancock do an intro? So what? Come on, just admit it: you’re a die-hard fan, you're in the scene, you like them because they were, during your youth, your favorite band. It happens to everyone; some love the great Dylan while others have the misfortune of adoring Duran Duran :-D
    • CappellaioMatto
      19 mar 14
      Everyone considers Dylan rock, which is why I punished him to provoke his followers. Meanwhile, Simple Minds have always made punk music, but everyone thinks they are new wave or alternative. That’s why when they play rock, they crush it. And I'm telling you this as someone who loves jazz and blues.
  • CappellaioMatto
    CappellaioMatto
    19 mar 14
    I don't rely on anyone, I point out to you that you speak from a position of absolute confidence and you shouldn't. They sound better technically, I repeat. I'm a musician, I'm 44 years old, and I know what I'm talking about. You, evidently, do not. I can't stand know-it-alls like you, I have musical knowledge that you can't even imagine, so step back.
     
  • geenoo
    geenoo
    19 mar 14
    Given that I’m not a musician, I’d like to point out that you created a ranking of the "Worst rock artist of all time" and not the worst musician of all time. How pretentious... and you??? The ranking of the worst artist of all time was made by you, not by me. And you included Nirvana, Dylan, Blur, Springsteen! I don’t speak with absolute certainty, obviously this is your ranking and that’s fine, but I mean... can it be challenged??? Because it seems to me that the arrogant one is you. Of course, if you provoke with "I have musical knowledge you can't even imagine" and then put Dylan as the worst rock artist of all time, I almost sh*t myself. :-DDDD Lastly, "filo ora" to you, sister.
     
  • madcat
    madcat
    19 mar 14
    Well, Mad Hatter, all that was missing was for you to write "you don’t know who I am!" and your comment would have been perfect xD Anyway, as a fan, seeing Blur, Nirvana, Dylan, and Springsteen in this ranking is really tough for me too. If it weren't for U2, I would have thought you were pulling our leg and that this was actually the ranking of best artists and the one with Simple Minds was the worst artist :D Jokes aside, I'm totally convinced that rankings make sense only when they reflect the likes and dislikes of others, nothing more.
     
    • CappellaioMatto
      19 mar 14
      madcat, I can only tell you that I really like your ranking of the best (aside from those we already know). It’s not that I know everything, I don’t like comments like those from geenio. However, I won’t back down on the Simple Minds; I even played with a former member of the band named Mike Ogletree (by the way, he often comes to Milan, even though he lives in New York).
    • madcat
      19 mar 14
      thank you :D but indeed the beauty is the sharing of passions here on deb, it’s what might lead a user to listen to, discover, and love artists who were perhaps previously overlooked or simply ignored. then it's obvious that observations and criticisms may arise, especially in certain cases or in some charts like this one, but it’s part of the game.
    • CappellaioMatto
      19 mar 14
      Oh, but of course. In fact, I see that Mr. Hij.... is inviting you to love with a nice "But haven't you all figured out that this guy, nickfarjonz, and another ten are all the same type of fake (if not the same person)? All obsessed with the degniga sdrumendale, suodado better, I know everything, I have a musical knowledge that you can't even imagine, I am who I am and you are nothing... In short, let's just completely ignore them dear madcat (Gino does what he wants, after all, he’s Gino)."
    • madcat
      19 mar 14
      Look, I don't know if you're a fake or not, the point is that if you're not, with statements like "I know I know" and "I played with this one and that one," you're asking for a laugh, right? :D
    • CappellaioMatto
      19 mar 14
      But I really do play sometimes with Mike Ogletree, damn it. Then comes the one who says, "your ranking might make sense..." but from your life, it makes sense. I strum along as a hobby with people of a certain caliber. What can I do?
  • hjhhjij
    hjhhjij
    19 mar 14
    But you still haven't understood that this one, nickfarjonz and another ten are all the same type of fake (if not the same person)? They are all obsessed with the degniga sdrumendale, suodado better, I know everything, I have a musical knowledge that you can't even imagine, I am me and you are nothing... In short, let's totally ignore them, dear madcat (Gino does what he wants, after all, he's Gino).
     
  • madcat
    madcat
    19 mar 14
    :D you called me "utentecheparlaaifakite" hyhyhyhyhyh :DDDD
     
  • hjhhjij
    hjhhjij
    19 mar 14
    Sorry :D
     
  • CappellaioMatto
    CappellaioMatto
    19 mar 14
    No, no, no. You started with a nice "the ranking could make sense." Who decides whether it makes sense or not? And who are you to determine that? Where do we put the "I don't know how old you are"? I can’t stand those who would talk down to me. If you don’t realize how presumptuous you’ve been, that’s not my problem. With me, you’d better change your tone.
     
  • CappellaioMatto
    CappellaioMatto
    19 mar 14
    Hey... Do we know each other? What the hell do you want? Just get lost too.
     
    • hjhhjij
      19 mar 14
      I had no doubt about the type of response.
    • CappellaioMatto
      19 mar 14
      So? Would you have preferred a slice of ass with lemon?
  • CappellaioMatto
    CappellaioMatto
    19 mar 14
    Many of the old and new members of Simple Minds I have known personally for years; they are musicians with serious skills. But do you know how Derek Forbes’ bass sounds?
     
    • rolando303
      19 mar 14
      Mad Hatter, here, either King Crimson and snacks with De André, or nothing :-D great Simple Minds, I also love Level 42, in the 80s there were some idiots but there were also excellent musicians.
    • hjhhjij
      19 mar 14
      The idiots always come in pairs. This isn't the first time, in fact, that you align yourself with trolls and fakes without understanding what they are being criticized for, spouting nonsense like "either King Crimson and snacks with De André, or nothing" and not realizing that here no one is saying a damn thing about Simple Minds... Alright alright alright alright alright sorry, ignore mode it's true, you're right. Idiot.
    • rolando303
      19 mar 14
      Do you feel called into question?
    • rolando303
      19 mar 14
      Indeed, I align myself with you and drink deeply from your knowledge, great Übermensch.
    • CappellaioMatto
      19 mar 14
      No, no, no, someone spoke badly about the Simple Minds. Read above. The jerk in question, me, has played several times with one of them. Got it?
    • CappellaioMatto
      19 mar 14
      wait, wait.... now I remember you hjhhjij. You're the one who a few years ago introduced yourself on debaser defining 14875444 artists in just one day. Right? Yes, yes, now I get it. Wow, congratulations. I think I had come to this site to read reviews by smart people like Socrates or Grasshoppers, then I saw that there were paranoid people like you and I shuddered.
    • rolando303
      19 mar 14
      "It's not the first time, in fact, that you align yourself with trolls and fakes": nice one. But do you work for the CIA or KGB or maybe the FBI?
    • CappellaioMatto
      19 mar 14
      no, it is both a troll and a fake
  • Lao Tze
    Lao Tze
    19 mar 14
    I understand that Ogletree was a collaborator and not a MEMBER of Simple Minds. He played drums on some tracks. Anyway, at this point, tell us your name; at the very least, we'll find you on Discogs or Allmusic.
     
    • CappellaioMatto
      19 mar 14
      Mike is officially considered a member of the group; he played with them in '82 (the year of New Gold Dream). By the way, he translated that album into Italian with his current band called Anacoustic Mind, with the help of an Italian guy whose name I won't mention for privacy reasons. They play that album and reggae pieces with Scottish lyrics from the nineteenth century. A very quirky thing, following the bardic tradition as he says. I have no idea what the hell that means, but if you want, I can ask him. By the way, back in the SM days, he played the drums, and now he plays the acoustic guitar. Dressed in a kilt and a Scottish hat. I don’t know just him well, I know a good dozen or so current and former members of the group. Let’s just say they treat me like a friend.
    • rolando303
      19 mar 14
      Worn-out cassette by NGDream. Good times.
    • CappellaioMatto
      19 mar 14
      I put a photo of myself with Mike Ogletree in the avatar. I can't do more than that. I'm not putting my name.
  • geenoo
    geenoo
    19 mar 14
    Come on... NO-ME, NO-ME... I want the autograph! P.S. If I had hypothetically played the maracas on Madonna's tour in the late '80s, what should I have written? Madonna better than Springsteen, Blur, and Bob Dylan???? Can you explain to me what the hell that has to do with having played with a group of the same value? Come on, I'm super curious.
     
    • CappellaioMatto
      19 mar 14
      Madonna, you listen to it, Gino. Springsteen writes nursery school-level lyrics; if you manage to speak decent English, you should get it; musically, he’s worth nothing. I don't even give a damn about Blur when I have diarrhea. Dylan, yeah, how poetic. I found his poems in my elementary school book... but music is something else. And his voice, what a torture.
  • CappellaioMatto
    CappellaioMatto
    19 mar 14
    I'm not going to tell you the name; I'll just say that Derek Forbes has been voted the best Scottish bassist by a music magazine. Coming ahead of folks like Jack Bruce, you know what I mean. I see you keep insisting on the Blur, but damn, I play better than them.
     
    • madcat
      19 mar 14
      "I see that you insist on Blur, damn I sound better than them." Ehm... I remember they have a certain Coxon as their guitarist, pretty lame compared to how you sound, right?
    • hjhhjij
      19 mar 14
      degniga sdrumendale, I do better XD Hilarious.
    • hjhhjij
      19 mar 14
      And you just go mad, let me waste my time badly, at least save yourself. Oh, can I ask you what area of Rome you're from? I know about urlitch but I don't think I know about you.
    • rolando303
      19 mar 14
      I insist with Nirvana instead :-D sorry but anyone who picks up a bass, I believe that after a week they can easily play all their songs. The guitar with 35 pedals and 45 effects including feedback and similar, the same.
    • hjhhjij
      19 mar 14
      "Sorry, but anyone who picks up a bass, I believe that after a week they can easily play all their songs." To me, such reasoning seems like bullshit, but this time I say that rightly, everyone has their own way of understanding music, so that's that.
    • CappellaioMatto
      19 mar 14
      exhilarating a gazzo, a very banal glone of the degnigo-daddigo-motivational coach Andonio Gonde has been doing in dudda Idalia for months
    • hjhhjij
      19 mar 14
      Andonio Gonde is sending me a message on the gazzo.
    • CappellaioMatto
      19 mar 14
      bure a me.
    • rolando303
      19 mar 14
      If you compare two groups where one only saves the drummer and in the other, everyone plays more or less well and knows the music, the comparison is inevitable. I can't stay quiet. I've never played with anyone famous, but with over 20 years on bass and keyboards, I reiterate the simplicity of their bass lines. But that's not my way of understanding music. That's how it is.
    • hjhhjij
      19 mar 14
      Only the drummer is saved because? You only talk about technique, you base everything just on technique, a song isn't written only with technique and Cobain didn’t need technique. So, here's the thing: Nirvana were technically nothing special as musicians, but that’s not how one band is better than another just because they play better. This is your vision of music, it's your problem, I'm fine with it, I've already said that. Then there are Supertramp, I like them because they knew how to use technique to write great pieces; technique, as I see it, is just a means, the result can be good even without instrumental technique. This is my vision and the other is yours, I don’t think either of us holds the truth.
    • hjhhjij
      19 mar 14
      Ghe boi Andonio Gonde is not good as a trainer (maybe a foolish one indeed) but I stumble upon the gaze oh.
    • rolando303
      19 mar 14
      Because the drummer knew how to play and the other two didn't. The comparison between Supertramp and Nirvana doesn't hold up. Even more so when there are differences in technical quality. Simple. It's my business, but you still have to put your oar in everywhere. Always and in any case. Apparently, it's not just my business.
    • CappellaioMatto
      19 mar 14
      But go see a Simple Minds or Supertramp concert while you still can. Music needs everything: heart, lyrics, and all that. But you also need to know how to play and sing. Otherwise, you might as well read a good book, that's better. Or go see the Pissarro exhibition in Pavia, what the hell do I know. It's always better than acting like a know-it-all on debaser.
    • rolando303
      19 mar 14
      In music, the best things are often made by those who understand it.
    • CappellaioMatto
      19 mar 14
      here, everyone thinks they are Jimi Hendrix; all it takes is to learn by yourself and strum a couple of trendy chords while pretending to put some feeling into it. Damn Andy Warhol, he ruined everything.
    • hjhhjij
      19 mar 14
      Rolando, go f**k yourself.
    • rolando303
      19 mar 14
      You go take a hold of a DX7. You don't even know how to turn it on :-D
    • rolando303
      19 mar 14
      However, you should be able to find the user manual online.
    • rolando303
      19 mar 14
      Wake up, your dear De André, just to give an example, knew music very well, and who cares if he played. He had a touch and a clarity of notes that you rarely felt the shifts on the neck. And classical is tough. You bet it's tough.
    • CappellaioMatto
      19 mar 14
      He was an exceptional songwriter and a great musician. But some give him a saliva onesie just because it's chic.
    • CappellaioMatto
      19 mar 14
      "Rolando, go fuck yourself" uh uh uh, but weren't we discussing and commenting amicably here? Then, caught off guard, when one realizes that the fish are being thrown in their faces when they actually wanted to throw them, they lose it. Oh yes, they lose it.
    • rolando303
      19 mar 14
      Exactly, if he didn’t know music well, there’s no way he would become De Andrè. In music, the best things are often made by those who truly understand it!!
    • rolando303
      19 mar 14
      Here we go off with kind, refined words. Thank you :-D. Too kind, he's probably looking for the manual for the DX7.
    • madcat
      19 mar 14
      Anyway, regarding Nirvana, I can't take any more of people discussing technique: it's all about the intensity, people, the intensity of the execution and interpretation, something that can't be taught or learned, you either have it or you don't, and Cobain had it in spades. @hyhy Monte Mario, what about you?
    • hjhhjij
      19 mar 14
      Not exactly very close. I live in the Eur area, more precisely in Montagnola. If you ever happen to pass through Monte Mario, though, I know I could run into you; just shout the chorus of Smells Like Teen Spirit at the top of your lungs on the street. That way, you can come visit me in the hospital.
    • SilasLang
      19 mar 14
      I've been playing for 25 years too, I've always preferred David Yow to Freddie Mercury and Lee Ranaldo to Steve Vai. So what? I can't play? Proud of that and who cares! 90% of my favorite records have at most 4 out-of-tune chords, so :D
    • CappellaioMatto
      19 mar 14
      too intense perhaps
    • rolando303
      19 mar 14
      Silas, friends as always :-D I saw Sonic Youth and I liked them. However, I don't listen to them anymore today. Steve, I'm turning it off after half an hour. But specifically, I mentioned De André. Do you think that without that guitar, today he would be De André?
    • CappellaioMatto
      19 mar 14
      Silas, your disdain for Steve Vai does you credit.
    • rolando303
      19 mar 14
      I turn it off because it's intense, I'm struggling to keep up with it.
  • fes
    fes
    19 mar 14
    "The man who whispers to fakes has many fakes" Quote. I don't remember who said it, but anyway, Quote. very strongly Quote.
     
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