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"I have a penis," but what are you saying? I gave this a four because I enjoy listening to it less than Foetus. I really like Foetus; I would play it on repeat for days if I had the time, but not this, that's all. Then discussions about the more famous / less famous, those are indeed mental gymnastics, and you brought them up. (PS: the picture of the priest is Steve Albini). Regards, and please relax, I recommend.

In the first comment, I wanted to say: they were just talking about it today in the review of COP SHOOT COP, oops.

Oh no Regular, I wouldn't put it in such simplistic terms. As someone once said, I can't remember who, Foetus creates a genre that can be called "industrial meets something." It can be industrial meeting rock, or swing, or Morricone, and so on. In short, that isn't really industrial; it’s more of an orchestrated form of theatrical-experimental musical composition that varies across different genres. In Reznor’s case, he has taken the figure of Foetus as a composer and sound manipulator, but using sounds that are much more distinctly 90s industrial (just look at Cop Shoot Cop, in fact) and metal. Calling it the "definitive industrial" seems like quite an exaggeration to me, but of course, in the end, it's always a matter of "de gustibus."

Sure, I would say that the term is correct. In fact, I would take out the rock altogether: Neo-Kraut-Electro, period. The Tortoise were mainly a great rhythmic machine.

Donjunio, I think you've managed to get everyone on the same page :)

It was just mentioned today in the review of Nine Inch Nails. A brilliant sound manipulator or a clever rehash of things already heard for at least 15 years? Perhaps both. The review is a bit lengthy and boring, though it analyzes the album precisely (and it's the fourth one, by the way).

Cuastin Resins, Treesold, Snapcase, Culture, mark all four. What a useful page!

In short, not exactly innovative stuff, nonetheless an interesting mention.

Interesting, a group I've never even heard of, good job as always Stoopid.

I’m interrupting the conversation, sorry. Regular, what you say about reworking is partially true, but it can't be generalized. And in the case of NIN, the influences are very clear and often more than just simple influences; they are rather re-propositions of already heard sounds (I’ve only listened to The Downward Spiral and therefore I’m referring to that; maybe later Reznor became an innovator). And when you say that "Reznor added melody to the industrial and noisy path of his predecessors," you’re stating something incorrect. The melody had already been added ten years earlier by Foetus (I keep repeating this name), and Trent Reznor seems to me at most a resurrector of that genius's figure. Sure, with a lot of musical substance, but he doesn't add much to what was said before. The musical references are rather obvious: Cop Shoot Cop and Foetus, not to mention reworking in a new language.