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Going into a trance is a bit sad...better the classic fireflies!

For heaven's sake, I can't stand that filthy nihilist... I'm not saying it's a "great message," I'm just noting that it has a message! It expresses emotions and sensations with a language that's understandable. I said it narrates emotions, not that it moves you, mind you, let’s not confuse the two.

"Using it as a background is not recommended, because it would be annoying" who could argue with you! :-P

Minchia ajejebrazorf, I watch the message a lot, otherwise we should also legitimize those bands that live off their senseless virtuosity and self-serving (who said DT??) But I would also say a bit of Zorn... a certain type of 70s progressive, Mars Volta, 90 percent of Metal... and many others. Should we go back to saying "non è bello ciò che è bello, è bello ciò che piace"? I'm not comparing these people to Miles Davis, don't get me wrong... the fact is that, since jazz is not rock, should we consider certain passages that seem extremely, let's say, "exaggerated," to be of equal value? Undoubtedly, the criteria are different from rock, but as I've already said, at least this album I can't conceive it, except as background music.

Okay, I’ll try to read it as a particular psychedelia... with "culturally" I’m not talking about my culture or your culture, dolphy, but simply about the fact that all records are created and released in a specific historical moment and, if they have musical meaning, they must also carry a cultural significance characteristic of the era in which they are born. In short, they must convey a message that is understandable and goes beyond mere musicality. To be even clearer, is the "noise" of Bitches Brew a noise that feels very "alternative," or is it a means to tell us something? I will try to understand it on my own, I swear!

"Well, at least you replied," referred only to the fact that you had actually started to explain why it was beautiful for you, stopping short of a priori concepts... which I did find a bit in the answers. The only thing I wondered is what the record communicated, why it should be different from certain self-indulgent avant-garde, while still acknowledging its historical value (I don't doubt that). And ultimately, what do you find interesting in jazz, you who undoubtedly chew on it more than I do? :-)

Calm down, Dolphy, I understood what you meant. However, I don’t agree with the idea that it takes so many hours of listening to understand an album (as if you had to learn to like it at all costs :-) I also disagree with the reference to Zappa, which is indeed a striking expression, but just that for me. We can't avoid talking about music; otherwise, this review wouldn't even make sense and the concepts of "beautiful" and "ugly" would fall into the most extreme relativism. If an album is beautiful, there’s always a cultural reason behind why it is beautiful (besides the musical one).

If it happens, I'll watch the movie, but I don't agree with the "otherwise I wouldn’t listen to it and many others wouldn’t either," which is a phrase that could apply to any group or artist. For me, Bitches Brew is anything but Rock; it's pure avant-garde, with all the possible flaws that come with it :-)

Well, at least you answered, albeit vaguely, "one of the first (and most successful) jazz-rock experiments in history"-----based on what? "Because the musicians' synergy is excellent, and the monumental groove of Spanish Key is proof of that"-----I'll give you the groove, but that synergy, as stated, is just assumed, "Because Miles Runs The Voodoo Down has bass and percussion that would raze a neighborhood in New York to the ground"-------I can tell you that I find no meaning in it, and we’d be even, "Because McLaughlin also contributes significantly"-----what? "Because Miles is incredibly inspired, and it seems that this music was made just for him"-------------double what? This is to say, it’s not that you need to convince me; you need to explain why, for you, it’s a monument of a record. Now you've moved to the much more diplomatic expression "I love it, you hate it...who's right?" quite different from the rigid "just listen to some jazz records to realize that what you said is nonsense," which you’ll agree is pure rhetoric devoid of any real meaning.

With the scenes that is, what images X-D