lux

ajeje you are unpleasant. For me, the biggest nonsense was what you said in this review when you were astonished by my attempt to make sense of the music I listen to: "Oh my God Lux, it's music, but are you looking at the message? If you want a message, don't listen to music... the message is the music..." This is the biggest bullshit, a product of this fucked-up post-modern society incapable of giving any kind of universal meaning to what it sees, lives, feels, and hears. "Doubt in what sense?" Fuck, what have I been talking about until now? In what sense do you think? I would like to know what the hell BB means. What kind of state of mind does it convey? What the hell does it talk about, what the hell does it narrate? More clear than this, I don’t know what to tell you. Obviously, I reiterate that just having a groove in a record doesn't mean it isn’t cerebral. For me, BB is cerebral; as a cerebral record, it doesn’t communicate anything to me. Allow me, by physicality, I mean something entirely different. "but then it turned out that you just don't like instrumentals of any kind" but what the hell are you babbling about? I named the first three instrumental albums at random that I would prefer to listen to over this fucking BB (sure, they are not my three absolute favorite albums, but that's not the point). So I don't know where you want to go with this. Actually, I know very well; clearly not satisfied that the discussion has kept relatively calm, you decided to reinvigorate it by calling my opinions nonsense, knowing full well that sooner or later I would have told you to fuck off. Congratulations, mission accomplished. Basically, you didn't grasp a thing from what Alessio said earlier when he was talking about being more serene and not bothering those who think differently. Now you've decided to poke me until who knows when. Until when? Can you explain to me what the hell you want me to say? I think differently from you, now what do we want to do? Do you want to keep repeating the same things for a long time? "jazz gives me the impression of being terribly self-satisfied music," I subscribe to that a thousand times; this is the impression I have from what I've listened to. I didn't say that I couldn't change my mind (and I've repeated it 50 times), but for now, it's like this. Let's see if we understood each other or if I have to repeat the same things until 2074. Please, now respond with “Lux, why the hell are you getting angry,” and I swear I’ll throw a slipper from my house.

ajeje I have always talked about the few albums I’ve listened to; can I at least say if I liked them or not? But maybe it suits you to think that I'm just grasping at straws. I've already said what I think about Third compared to BB; for me, that's how it is, we can keep going until next week, but it remains that way. And you have to respect my opinion. Moreover, you along with others have pointed out how my "sense" means nothing, making arguments even based on emotions, and then you suddenly come up with an "objectively," and out of nowhere you become a systematic theoretical critic who objectivizes what? The relative greater or lesser physicality of one album compared to another? But do you know that it’s not enough to be formally “rock” to be visceral and bloodthirsty? The Mars Volta are rock; do they seem visceral or intellectual to you? (At least) some albums by Zorn are at least somewhat rock; do they seem visceral or intellectual to you? Progressive metal is rock; does it seem visceral or intellectual to you? And I could go on. It's not enough to be jazz-rock on paper to be “rock.” Then you point the finger at ignorance, and okay. The albums I’m talking about I have listened to; figure it out yourself. You want to be right no matter what.

"Just think that even now, after several years in which jazz has flirted with rock, it’s such a 'strange' and 'alien' record that many people still struggle to find a clear thread, even among jazz listeners themselves. Probably, good Miles looked 'too far' ahead. :D------'Ajeje, B.B. sold mainly for the hype, because it was cool to have it at home, and in reality, it was NOT liked! It sucked for both the rock audience (too narrow-minded to understand it) and the jazz audience (too purist and conservative). Very few truly appreciated it. And even now, those who buy or download it do so because 'it’s said' in forums and summaries that it’s one of Miles' peaks, and of jazz as a whole!'...interesting, very interesting...all these people more competent than me doubted it, and I can’t doubt the record??"

"It's objectively nonsense," if you have to talk like that, we can just end it here, eh ajeje. For me, it is like this, period, and that's it. Period and that's it. I can be more stubborn than you, you know. The groove isn't enough, it's not enough, it's not enough, it's not enough.

Count, I've explained until now what I mean by "meaning," pleaseeeeeee! I will try to listen to other stuff, I swear!

I said that Third is more physical than BB; I didn't say it's unrestrained rock 'n' roll. It's more physical despite the groove and approach of BB, which aims to be sweatier and wilder than Third, but has a hyper-abstract cerebral physicality. I repeat, I "read" a Facelift much more easily. Listen to the textures of the saxophones or the flute; for me, they are literally more human, more rock.

Oops, I messed up with those idiots from Nightwish, sorry, the point still stands obviously. Since you also feel free to post on the DT review "I think you know little or nothing about music." What goes around comes around.

I will try, Sun Ra was already on my list!

I could agree with everything you wrote, Meta, but then I wonder (since I started commenting on this review) what is the key to understanding jazz (the least subjective possible)? And specifically BB? That’s what I asked more or less explicitly, admitting that, at least for now, this jazz attitude doesn’t communicate much to me. Or rather, I have to focus as if I were doing a math assignment on BB, making the enjoyment ultra-cerebral. For me, based on my experience, this is not communication. This is just my opinion, of course.

Peace made :-)