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I defined this album as Indie because theoretically it would be. Alessio referred to Universal, and his clarification holds value (even though I never pay attention to label changes), so it’s understandable why I used "theoretically." The fact that he's being opportunistic is beyond doubt...

Filini no, if my posts conveyed the message that those who listen to this album are "unworthy," I am very sorry; that was certainly not my goal. My criticism is directed solely at the album. Of course, with Chinasky I went further because he jumped in headfirst with me regarding that issue of the Sanremo arrangements (and he still hasn’t quite understood what I meant). So you offend, I offend, and we end up where we ended up. I don’t see human emotions in this album in the sense that it doesn’t convey feelings (as it’s flat, empty, rhetorical, etc.). Sure, it may have been played with great passion, but that's not what I’m referring to.

I consider the historical context certainly valuable, but if I say that album X in the year Y from country Z is beautiful, it is beautiful. I can then use it as a measure of value with other albums (even from different years), I don't see what the problem is. Beautiful and ugly albums exist in every era, and they remain that way even as time passes (it's true that opinions may change over the years, but I will assume that this does not happen, to maintain a fundamental coherence).

Chinaski82 mercy, the one who can't accept others' opinions here is you, and you've been doing it for several days. The comparison with the first Dinosaur Jr album was meant to highlight its quality and honesty. Why shouldn't I compare them? They are two indie albums (one of them is truly indie, the other... let's not even go there). They can't both be great, given that they approach music in such different ways that they exclude each other, so in the face of that album, the latest Afta feels small. And excuse me, but EVERYONE who listens to indie knows the Dinos, I used the most obvious reference possible, if you think about it, not some attempt to show "knowledge".. Anyway, even the latest Beyond is superior to this one by After, if you want me to tell you.

"The fact that you boasted about your musical culture seems indisputable to me" ...you think it's wrong, reread my post n. 113 carefully. This is a music site, so we TALK about music, and there are situations where we don't just say 'I like' or 'I don't like', but we present our vision. Then I don't know what 'competitions' you are referring to. If criticizing any album is a competition for you, then yes, I compete.

Eh Larrock, but it's unfortunate for the gentlemen, since these days I have to work on some papers for university, so I often find myself in front of the PC..Allegretti thanks.

Parcondio, you started off so well, only to lose yourself in the end. "In the meantime, I couldn't care less about how vast your musical culture is..." what a sadness, let me say. I mentioned those four bands (way too obvious even if "alternative," so nothing that others theoretically wouldn't know) simply as a point of comparison, in the sense that if one hasn’t listened to any alternative indie rock, it’s pointless even to attempt to make a sensible judgment about the Afterhours' album. If you don't know what's beautiful, how can you recognize the potentially ugly? I'm not the one who’s “boasting”; I discuss music based on what I can and what I know. Just like someone talking about Philosophy, when discussing Marx it’s very likely that sooner or later they’ll mention Hegel or Engels, or when talking about Durkheim, they might cite Comte. Or while discussing Berlusconi, they might mention Bondi or Fede. It doesn’t seem abnormal to me. “When I have a bit of time, I’ll broaden my musical knowledge”—sure, but you can't blame me if you’ve narrowed it down now. What kind of nonsense is this? Do you want to justify your ignorance on the subject by practically labeling me as a know-it-all? Now I have the “guilt” of knowing more than you? I don’t know, the reasoning on this page seems insane; the situation is truly dramatic.

Try listening to the first album by Dinosaur Jr, and then listen to this one by After: tell me, do they seem like two equally honest and sincere examples of indie albums? You know, if you say yes, I’ll call an ambulance to your house.

Chinaski, this isn't about the Eternal Father (even though you're climbing walls to say nonsense); anyone who has appreciated certain albums can't find anything interesting in this grand gala of pseudo indie, intellectual, populist, triviality. If I have to explain to you what I mean by dishonest production, I start to believe not only that you have mental issues but also that you've never listened to a TRUE Indie album. "But I'm sorry, when I hear nonsense, I say it's nonsense"—no, out of 1500 of my posts and others criticizing this album, you have not understood ABSOLUTELY a damn thing. The problem isn't ours for not arguing; it's yours for not understanding Italian.

I don't believe it's dangerous; I reiterate that this is rock music worth boycotting, and I don't see anything wrong with that. It's old, anachronistic, filled with clumsy, popular clichés—what do you expect it to say? I do see that you, too, Parcondio, have the unfortunate habit of labeling others' ideas as crap. Now I understand why you get along with Chinaski.