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Oh nooo Stephen, don’t touch it, it was a gift from a Christmas long ago... Enea really “Sensitive and Delicate” (so there should be three copies). What a time it was, and our own Rondò Veneziano was also there. And I was playing with the MSX, more or less... I don’t have this Van album, I stopped at Astral. And for the review, I would give you a 5 just for this sentence: "...it can be defined as a cardinal album (in the good sense, not the ecclesiastical one)." full of hidden meanings...

Here. This is a group (let's call it a group... let's say a club where you can come and go) that has truly amazed me. Tough and resilient. The review is from a young person (I believe), who, as Jodo also says, has let himself be swept away by musical passion. Period. Whether or not he nailed it with the adjectives doesn't seem like a big deal to me. Anyway, to avoid misunderstandings, I don't want to argue with Caz...

So, is (real) rap only the one from New York (or the east coast)?

Well, rap is actually a bit hard for me to digest, since I’ve seen it be born and grow... Once it was a tirade for people of color to vent about abuses, ghettoization, shootings, brutal police... and now? Look at them. As soon as they get successful, they’re just horrible to look at (gold chains, whores, and guns).

"shamelessly too much of a clone of Black Merda" seems to me a derogatory judgment. Then, within a few years, it’s not about rehashing the same thing better crafted, but it can well be a CD of the same genre with slightly diverse "ingredients." Furthermore, the commercial=tasteless argument is something you bring up every time a band that has had success is discussed. I agree with you that, sometimes, a band, despite being exceptional, doesn't achieve success for various reasons. But don’t say that to me, as I own import records that I believe I have, along with a few hundred other Italians...

Listen Caz... it seems to me that I’m not the only one thinking this way. I know the Black Merda (in the sense that I’ve heard them) and it’s true, I’ve never bought them. My talk about commercial ugly/beautiful was general and not specifically about the black ones (sorry, but despite my old promise I have to bring up Necro again...). Clone and little group are definitions I gave... but for groups separated by decades! You, on the other hand, brought them up for these Black Merda in comparison to the Funkadelic! Come on! I challenge anyone to evaluate the first ones better than the second.
P.S.: "Black Merda were bought since the 70s to the point of exhausting copies, and in 2005 they were reissued, and they ran out of copies again": What a shame! So they were (are) a commercial group!

Grasshopper... Dalla and Venditti, unfortunately for them, have gotten bogged down in their brains. After an initial period of great ideals and grand ideas, seeing their audience, they thought it wise to milk them with enormous nonsense (attenti al lupo, un mondo di ladri). Worse, more than nonsense, they are just songs disguised with some pretense of social critique made by those who, with their bellies full, don’t give a damn about anything or anyone. Paolo Conte, Guccini, Fossati are Masters of music. I have some doubts about De Gregori (by the way, he is a fellow trickster of Venditti). Just think of all his myriad compilations, greatest hits, live albums, summits, love songs, stadium songs, studio recordings that he has published...

Stop the train for a moment, Caz... Can you tell me where the site’s manifesto is and, above all, who the reviewers are of the one who made the site (really... I don't know)? But getting into the topic (if I may, since you have a low opinion of me), holy God, after a year it’s clear that these groups were part of a movement/genre, however you want to call it. So, did Pearl Jam copy Nirvana by any chance? Come on, your argument doesn't hold; the disco of the '70s... who copied whom? The rap of the '90s... who was the first? And all the others are clones. Who ever said I only listen to rock? In my opinion, Clinton was one of the greats of that era. As for the radio discussion, I repeat, you put words in my mouth that are not mine. Lastly, please get that commercial paranoia out of your head. And, finally, I say: if an album is good, it’s liked and it sells. If an album is bad, it’s not liked, and it doesn’t sell. If it sells, it's commercial (therefore junk), if it doesn’t sell, it’s niche? What do you think?

Grasshopper, apart from my crude joke, this artist makes me furious because he has incredible talent. He is an excellent musician, technically speaking. And a creator of remarkable melodies. But, for some reason, he is also drawn to the abyss of bad taste and tackiness. I understand that you need to make a living, but there are ways and ways to do it...

I'm charming, huh? You'd like to tame me... but you won't succeed. I don't contradict other reviews at all because, when I talk about great bands from the past in reference to the small groups of today (most of them), I stand by what I say. We're talking about an album from 1971!!! In the midst of the funk explosion. The seventies, damn... so long ago. Back in that distant time, there were several bands making funk, including your band B.Merda. Obviously, I repeat, these guys “succeeded better.” We're not talking about a band that in late 2005 remakes that genre of music; that would be something different (and you'd be right)!
Then excuse me, huh... but what do you know about what "Debaser would want." No, because evidently, I must not have read some “manifesto” of the site. Another thing... the site literally “ruined” by my comments???? And yours then? They’ve been literally massacred. I know people who are still running (after having read your posts) after I recommended this site to them. Here we all throw nonsense around. You think you can annihilate, with your irritating rhetoric, anyone who dares to think differently from you (and you even play it up). I do because I'm right. Bye.