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Good analysis; I also have a few notes to make regarding this discussion on usability. Certainly, if someone were to ask me for advice on getting into black metal, Windir and Drudkh would be among the first five names I would mention.

Seen live, the bassist; two meters of statuesque blonde with a gaze that chills your stomach and makes something else boil lower down.

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Pleasant and comprehensive review for a very interesting proposal: I’ll get it immediately: A question: Is the ideological background by any chance common to that of the DIJ?

Surely Alè, but all of this does not affect in the slightest the feelings of those individuals (and there were many individuals, individuals in the sense we mentioned earlier, otherwise Poland wouldn't be what it is), which must be considered Christian beyond any reasonable doubt.

Come on, how can you say "certainly not at a Christian level"? We have documents, evidence, of true martyrdom of Christians in the communist bloc. And martyrdom is the quintessential Christian act. Very well, the decision to send Wojtyła to Poland after he finished his studies may have been "political," but the effect that it had was undoubtedly of a Christian nature. Then, as far as I know, during the communist period the Christian movement was underground and not openly professed: in every way comparable to those following the first evangelizations.

Wait, Alè, I don’t think I understand you. I mean, you’re not saying that the difference is semantic, are you? Christianity is based on following an example. If there is a Polish Christian (the meaning of the term that we seem to share), and around him there is an entourage that follows him as an example, then we’re talking about Christianity, but not Catholicism (this is the deep sense of the phrase "blessed are those who have not seen yet have believed", because they will have seen Christ in another man who "simply" imitates Christ). Why can’t we talk about Catholicism? Because, as I see it, Catholicism is a normative phase that regulates Christianity only a posteriori, but Christian doctrine is one, and it is seen in the individual. And there was no CATHOLIC organization in communist Eastern Europe, just individuals (I’m speaking in terms of inner feeling), because how can you deal with issues like "can priests marry or not" when you have the secret police on your heels?

Fiquata, but you know that this discourse is the first one that the fascist "big shots" from my neighborhood throw at you? Totally understandable, of course. But we need to see where you end up in the end.

Okay. Why do you think that in Eastern Europe we can't talk about Christianity but only Catholicism? I'm inclined to think exactly the opposite. To reconnect with the conversation I was having with Jurix, under persecution, the outward appearances, the hypocrisies, the whitewashed tombs simply collapse. It's not a coincidence that in various religions suffering is often synonymous with trial.

@Jurix; no, it is not the same thing at all. It's no coincidence that I mentioned the book of Job. You see, good health, a certain level of comfort, a bourgeois lifestyle in short, are the essential conditions for the development of philosophies/weltanschauung that are often artificial, if not hypocritical. The problem is that as long as the state of affairs that produced them remains unchanged, these ways of understanding reality prove to be almost unassailable from a pragmatic perspective. [A small, extremely generalizing example just to clarify: it's useless for you to explain the living conditions of an Arab immigrant to the wealthy entrepreneur from Trieste who has been robbed, because what he sees is only the outlaw who has used violence against him. If you really want him to grasp the problem behind the immigrant's behavior, you need to make him practically relive the steps that led the immigrant to that act; explaining it to him is nearly useless].
Why doesn't the opposite hold true? Because a man who has always lived on the street will hardly have developed a perception of reality that does not reflect the tragic nature of his circumstances and which necessarily collapses when that tragic nature is removed.
@Iside; no, a man with values does not trample them in front of anything. As for the difference between Catholics and Christians, it was Iride/Fiquata who laughed about it (in my opinion without knowing it), not me. If you read the previous posts, it's him who seems to want to make a blanket statement.