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Indeed unforgiven, those who listen to metal are not alternative; it's just a fucking genre, damn it. I’ll repeat it endlessly: in blues, in jazz, in metal, in classical music, there are always people who sell out, who sell their ass. Because now in our country the theory of consumerism and product prevails. No one wants to be punk, dark, vampire, pimp... just to be alternative, but damn it, one listens to metal because it’s an interesting genre, just like that which can also be expressed by rock, punk, and all the genres that exist in music. Then there are those who are true artists and those who copy the stereotypes of the genre they associate with. This is too broad a discussion; this theory exists everywhere—in theater, in cinema, in art, in literature. Then it’s up to the human being to choose between true art and "pseudo-art."
PS: Enough, I’m fed up with hearing phrases like “by now metal is a cliché… of the incredible number of bands that come out, few are really good and play something serious… the rest is boredom… and you need to really shove this into your head.” Read the bands I've mentioned before; they are almost unknown but they make great music.

I fully agree regarding the power and death photocopy groups, that’s absolutely right. However, I have never liked Korn; I don't know, they are my pet peeve. I will try to listen to them again, but I believe my vibe won’t change...

larrok in the end we're saying the same thing just in a different way. I just wanted to be clear in my speech. don't worry, I have nothing against you. the musical culture wasn't aimed at you but at that mass of people who think that metal is just "korn dream theater manowar and other famous big bands." I repeat I'm in agreement with you, but we shouldn't generalize. that's all....peace brother ;)

lux I don't want to teach anyone, my speech was focused only on those who say that metal isn't art or that it's a shitty genre. I just wanted to clarify that in any genre, there are those who sell more and those who make real music but remain semi-unknown. I can't stand it when attempts are made to generalize or when everything is lumped together, and that's not fair. I repeat, everyone listens to what they like, but when certain comments or insinuations are made, one should be more objective instead of talking nonsense. I don't know if you agree ;) I could continue to mention other bands that make great metal, but I think it's already understood.

IT IS THANKS TO THESE BANDS THAT I FELL IN LOVE WITH THIS GENRE, METAL IN ITS MOST VARIED AND FASCINATING MANIFESTATIONS; TRUE ART, TRUE METAL, THE KIND MADE WITH FEELING, PASSION, DEDICATION, AND EXCELLENT COMPOSITION. UNFORTUNATELY, ONLY A FEW GROUPS MANAGE TO STAND OUT AND SELL LIKE CRAZY. I COULD GIVE YOU EXAMPLES ALSO IN JAZZ, BLUES, AND EVEN IN CLASSICAL MUSIC, AND BELIEVE ME, THE DISCUSSION CAN GO ON FOREVER. I REPEAT, IN MUSIC THERE IS ART AND THERE IS GARBAGE; IN THIS CASE, KORN ARE THE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF GARBAGE AND WHAT NU-METAL IS IN ITSELF. I HOPE I HAVE BEEN CLEAR. SO GUYS, LET'S NOT GENERALIZE, LET'S STUDY AND CULTIVATE OUR KNOWLEDGE (IN THIS CASE MUSICAL) AND THEN LET'S OPEN OUR MOUTHS. REGARDS.

...AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN

Larrok, you are not entirely right, and I'll explain why. It's obvious and evident that in all musical genres, there are extremely famous groups that sell, be it jazz, metal, classical, blues, etc. In metal, there are musicians and bands that are almost unknown to the masses, who sell very little despite being very valid and having made history in certain sub-genres of metal. Want examples? Good: Shape of Despair, Therion, Draconian, Lux Occulta, Deathspell Omega, Virgin Black, Elegeion, Aesma Daeva, Evoken, Samael, Eluveitie, The 3rd and The Mortal, Lengsel, Anorexia Nervosa, Tristitia, Imperia, Vision of Atlantis, Haggard, Nucleos Torn, Mors Syphilitica, Xytras, Estatic Fear, OperaIX, Esoteric, Zeraphine, En Declin, Isis, Lacrimas Profundere, Morgana Lefay, Viikate, Charon, Entwine, Lumsk, The Black League, Solefald, Enslaved, Fleurety... Should I continue?
SO DEAR LARROK, NO OFFENSE, LET'S NOT SAY NONSENSE. THESE BANDS ARE ALMOST UNKNOWN DESPITE BEING IMMENSE AND ARTISTICALLY ELEVATED... THEY SELL LITTLE AND REMAIN IN THE SHADOWS OF ART. SO, MY DEAR LARROK, BEFORE THROWING OUT SENTENCES, CULTIVATE YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF METAL, OR RATHER TRUE METAL (NO OFFENSE, I JUST WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND).

Alright guys, the issue is one and only: there is good music and there is crap music, Korn are the glaring example of crap music, period.

And to think that in metal in general there are great artists, but unfortunately unknown to the masses, because of these idiots and people who believe that metal is only Slipknot (whatever the hell they're called) and Korn, go fuck yourselves.

and you call this metal, please, nu metal has been the ruin of the true art of the genre, gaudy idiots and frivolous ideas. mediocre musicians, mediocre music, mediocre lyrics, the most slimy crap, the lowest point of metal, indeed the shame of metal. these four idiots and all of nu-metal should be exterminated. DO ME A FAVOR