Stoney

I see that the modern trend of making speeches bordering on the biased about topics deliberately designed to divide the public and inflame passions has also involved DeBaser. Good. Not that it was a novelty, anyway. When will we have a serious discussion about something concrete?

I read it some time ago. A very touching read.

Yes, but none of you have said WHY. I understand that they have invented a new way of making music, but I was specifically asking why it's so important. It seems to me that we’re not on the same page; maybe the point I’m making is too pretentious. Why does someone pick up a guitar, play a "granite riff," and this thing is considered important? Just because they did it, and that’s it? To me, it seems very self-referential. Things "go down in history" if they have meaning, not if someone just comes up with something out of nowhere because it sounds cool. By the way: I could also invent a pedal-powered washing machine, a refrigerator with wings, but that doesn't mean I go down in history as an inventor. It seems to me that you are making this argument, albeit in good faith: that they played something that hadn’t been played before, and therefore they are innovators, period. Well, I don’t know how to tell you: that’s not the case. I don’t know if there’s a reason why Slayer is a "historic" band, but if there is, it’s definitely not what you’re saying. I hope I haven't annoyed you with my reflections. Adieu.

Telespalla, what troubles me is seeing a group being followed for merits and honors that have nothing to do with the emotions it has evoked in listeners or with what it has said, but only with adherence to a "cause" that is just a pretext thrown out there just to name one; whether it's metal or jazz, it matters little. In other words, there is a "metal cause" (or funky, or jazz, or rap) that exists a priori, and a group is judged as more or less good depending on how much it has contributed to the good of this cause. No one explains what this cause is for, nor does anyone clarify why it makes sense for it to exist. If only someone had explained WHY Slayer is a good band, rather than just saying "they have given so much to metal": it seems that metal is an abstract entity to which Slayer has paid tribute, rather than a definition to be given to Slayer and others who make records. I don't know if I'm making myself clear. Mental wanking? Who knows... It seems to me that people don’t know why they do things, yet they create mythologies and culture around it, and every now and then they convince themselves they are even smarter than others. Regards.

Damn the copy/paste: I'm rewriting here because the previous comment makes no sense. You know what it is? It's that this "genuflection" attitude towards the "historic" groups that have had "merit, coherence, honor" kinda disgusts me. The whole metal scene seems to me like an environment governed by codes based on "honor" for the "deeds" done for who knows what sacred cause, as if they were an army of paladins in the service of Charlemagne or a criminal organization. Well, I think that this ridiculous attitude captures the entire reason for metal's existence, which serves those who follow it to find security in this bullshit, because if they had to listen to music for real, they wouldn't know where to start.

You know what it is? It's that this attitude of "kneeling" towards the "historic" groups that have had "merit, coherence, honor" disgusts me a bit. The entire metal scene now seems like a criminal environment where codes of honor based on "honor" for the "feats" accomplished for some sacred cause reign supreme, as if they were an army of paladins in the service of Charlemagne or a criminal organization. This ridiculous attitude encapsulates the entire reason for the existence of metal, which serves those who follow it to find security in this nonsense, because if they had to start listening to music seriously, they wouldn't know where to begin.

Extremely gaudy lyrics, monotonous rhythms, solos with no sense at all: an epic album.

I had a colleague named Rosa Spina. What a strange coincidence.

"But all in all, it's Slayer we're talking about, one of the bands whose name is synonymous with Metal, so something good has to come out of it, with their stamp... or not?" Exactly: not.

This group is intricately tied to the memories of a beautiful adolescence that will never return. At the time, fantasy galloped freely on words and melodies that spoke of epic stories and imaginary worlds, and in the end, that was all that mattered: the fantasy. To hell with technique, double pedals, and big guitars. The judgment is entirely devoid of any objectivity.