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I just don't like it.

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beautiful polè, I’m just reading this now but I find it to be an appreciated idea. Anyway, go to the movies every now and then, maybe it will bring you some surprises.. ;-)

Nirvana don’t even drive me crazy, but as usual, you draw your (in)conclusions. Looking closely, the only one who can't support their motivations is you. I, for the sake of peace (and to avoid banging my head against an unyielding wall), decided to cut off the "discussion," in which you, right from the start, ridiculously dissected my comments, decided that I'm incompetent, decided that my debatable but undoubtedly valid critiques stem from my "knowledge by hearsay," that I'm pretentious and trying to please the pack, decided that I’m in the wrong and must necessarily be on the defensive in a clear retreat. In the face of an unparalleled obtuseness like yours, one can only walk away, proving to be above certain petty squabbles. I couldn’t take it anymore; my motivations, setting aside your sophistry, are very clear (and these are thoughts that Scaruffi also shares in more radical ways, he WANTED TO BE AN EXAMPLE) and I truly marvel at your persistence in personally attacking me without providing, which is far more relevant, a proper counter to the motivations I expressed. The discussion is therefore not on equal footing, independent of the musical competence you presume to have demonstrated. I don't even know why I keep my tone civil, given that you don’t grasp the dualism of opinion/argument. (I won't be the one to explain it to you.) Any reasonable person would have told you to shove it after the second comment, without endlessly reiterating the same things in the hope that a modicum of humility would intervene between you and your crusade. I have nothing more to add; I’ll end it here, but without any goodbyes.

and Van Halen was a shitty guitarist, without the slightest sense of taste.

insane passion was ironic. now in the next comment you'll draw a parallel between my irony and what Berlusconi said in the European Parliament. you know what? you’ve won, I’m no longer interested in an exchange of ideas or even a heated debate with an individual like you. Enjoy your Queen, revel in your conspiracy theories and your supermarket-version-of-Freud explanations of others' behavior. And since we're on the topic of outbursts, you say that May was one of the greatest ever on guitar, just as Freddy was one of the best singers of all time, and just like Bonham was the best behind the drums. the Queen then made rock history, and those who don’t think like you must resort to vile tricks to convince you otherwise. at this point, if you twist any phrases written in a rush, I really think you need a good analyst. and by the way, frankly, refrain from picking up my "provocations" regarding this big myth of rock. regards

Thank you for your treatise on sociology applied to this discussion, with my person included among the base and petty individuals. I think that at this point stated by you, it is a form of flattery. What others have said, which has probably "hurt" you, is that the average Queen fan seeks to nobly elevate their unhealthy passion by objectifying the merits they recognize in the band. It seems to me that there was little left to say at that point, and you resorted to personal attacks, which is quite a juvenile attitude. Furthermore, I want to clarify that it was you who were offended, because rather than being merely annoyed, you were. Additionally, the "pack" has similarly shown to side with both your opinions and mine, which are divergent and have given rise to different views, as is appropriate in a discussion. You are the one who turned it into a matter of personal competition, puffed up by the fact that there is a nice screen and various kilometers of distance separating us. I'm sorry to say, but it is you who has acted meanly (I would never presume to say that YOU are mean, because we are only talking about music and it would be very misleading). Regarding Bonham, I thought of Wyatt, Bruford, and Giles, and I immediately thought it was nonsense. What do you say?

And God bless the eloquence of Stoney, he said many things that I was vainly trying to express.

Percy, your comment is disarmingly useless; the influences you mention are related to extra-musical factors. I didn't make the Zappa reference; it was meant to highlight the fact that the only "innovation" you attributed to Queen was actually present in a more significant way on Zappa's early albums (thanks for the explanation on what Zappa did, which you've decided I don't know and have never listened to...). The link to Scaruffi was purely provocative; it was meant to connect to someone who probably articulated similar arguments better than I do (and who better than the controversial Mr. Terabite of music, Piero Scaruffi?) since you also said that the fact that Queen doesn't belong to the history of rock was something I decided and I'm the one fighting windmills... At this point, I loudly call for your nomination as a case study, or at least the official tritamaroni of Debaser. And look, if your blood pressure goes up, we won’t mention Queen anymore; after all, they’ve still made rock history for you...

The example of Frank Zappa fits perfectly here, especially for those who see the introduction of irony in music and a grandiloquent aesthetic as innovations of Queen... and as you can see, Percy, I’m not the only one to say that certain merits attributed to Queen are often inventions driven by the ignorance of the fans. (in terms of the subject of the supposed innovation, not absolutely, okay?)