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I fully agree. I would also add that culturally there is a "certain" rivalry between lovers of death metal and black metal, and that the scream, to give you an idea, is a hardening and intensification and exacerbation of the singing in the style of Marilyn Manson (please don't kill me for this, orthodoxy).

From Arcturus, you can listen to both "La Masquerade Infernale" and "Sham Mirrors": the former is more theatrical and is considered one of the most brilliant albums in Norwegian metal; the compositions are long, have something black at their core, but the sound is perfect, clean, with symphonic parts that are both neo-classical and baroque, featuring operatic and theatrical vocals. The latter, on the other hand, is more symphonic, with a more rational (but also better) vocal delivery, and the compositions are more "spatial." They are both masterpieces. You decide.

Well, come on, in something "similar" to Emperor, not as good as them, that would be impossible... on the website I mentioned in my first post, you can listen to some tracks, but I'm not really all that devoted to symphonic sounds either. Hi! Remember to let me know as soon as you find out something regarding what you wrote to me about!

for ole: mmmm difficult, but not impossible. I don't know much about death, but I exclude that it exists without growl or similar: at most, they scream, which is the same. In black, there are groups that sing clean, absolutely, maybe with less aggressive sounds than others: more symphonic (then listen to "Shgam Mirrors" by Arcturus) or "Bergtatt" by Ulver (but only a few songs). Right now, I can't think of anything else; when these groups sing clean, then they also sound acoustic, completely stepping out of extreme metal.

thank you all, especially Ole, new to my pages. so vincent: I have a few albums by Dimmu, but not Stormblast, which I have only listened to briefly, so I can't give you a judgment. For All Tid is a nice album (maybe not the masterpiece it’s talked about), and I don't dislike Enthrone and Spiritual either (which I consider superior to the previous one). Puritanical doesn't say much to me, even though it's well recorded and well played, while the last one is no longer black metal, and above all it's no longer symphonic, so it doesn't count, and I don't like it at all either. I would say that Dimmu are clearly superior to Cradle, and they rank among the most significant bands in their genre: but I still consider Troll and Emperor (respectively on the melodic and hard side) the best, with a mention to Arcturus from the pre-Masquerade period. Cheers!

of course the site is wrong. the correct one is: www.inlinguamortua.com

you've done it outside the cup, woody.

Yes, but you generalize: Eastern groups do all the things you say, they play typical instruments and use poems or traditional texts; some only talk about Hitler, Jews, massacres... but it's obvious that these last topics probably don't hold much artistic interest.

It seems to me that Nazism remains a topic like any other, despicable or not: it is wrong to define it merely as a pose, but it's also misguided to turn it into a belief within the scene. Very often, it becomes the erroneous outcome of those who, like in the EST, having love for their homeland, for their fellow beings, for their traditions, cannot express this faith in any other way than through the display of Nazi or fascist symbols, which often, in their view, better represent these values than the much-lauded democracies born from Berlusconism. Stop! I'm trying to find a way to pass you the record, but my struggle with technology is arduous.

mmm what a discussion... indeed some statements in the review are out of place, but the reviewer deserves a fallen, and at most has only misunderstood this aspect of black metal. a few scattered thoughts: black metal is the most vast genre in the world, with the highest number of existing subgroups, so it’s completely normal that it encompasses such different mentalities. personally, I listen to Nazi black metal only when it's not explicitly racist, something I can’t comprehend in a genre that should be much more open than others; also, the Nazi phenomenon in black seems too broad to be summarized: we range from the silly Nazism of many non-German bands, used as a pose, to more local or locally-inspired ones, like the very subtle hints in Burzum, and only in the later phases of their career, up to the more superhuman German style, see Absurd.