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Yes, yes, okay, I know I completely agree with you. I never said that Ch'an is 100% Indian, and I don't think so either, let alone. Maybe I didn't explain myself well, the only thing I assert is that Zen originates in India, no matter how different it may have originally been from Ch'an. That it was called Dhyana, okay, but Dhyana was not just a meditation technique; otherwise, it wouldn't have been Buddhism. As such, regardless of its historicity, it can only refer to the Dharma and therefore to the Buddha. (I know that the term Buddhism is recent and coined in the West, etc., etc., but if replaced with the term Buddhadharma, the argument holds the same).
@rebelde that's precisely the inaccuracy. It is mistakenly believed that the Theravada canon exclusively follows the ideal of the arhat. In reality, the figure of the bodhisattva is not foreign to the tradition. The substantial difference (in very brief terms) with Mahayana is that the latter exclusively follows the path of the bodhisattva, while Theravada contemplates all paths, including that of the arhat. And anyway, the figure of the bodhisattva is considered superior in both canons.

acc... theravada, theravada. hinayana is a term that has been abolished firstly because it is historically inaccurate and secondly because it is considered offensive. thanks for the reply anyway.

no no guys. Zen Buddhism (ch'an, seon, etc) is not based on the meditative tradition of dhyana; it is THE SAME as dhyana. The first Zen patriarch is Mahakashyapa, a disciple of the Buddha Sakyamuni himself, from whom he received the teaching of the direct transmission of the Dharma, from heart to heart, beyond words. In fact, if you know the story of the birth of Zen, it was the Buddha who invented the practice of the koan. The same goes for the practice of zazen. Then, as you may already know, it was Bodhidharma, the twenty-eighth Indian patriarch, who spread Zen in China (some claim it was the sixth Chinese patriarch who spread Zen in China, but that is not important). The point is that it is true that Zen has taken on peculiar characteristics in relation to the needs and customs of the countries where it spread (and the same applies to Western Zen), but this is not due to some corruption of the original teaching; it is a characteristic of Zen and Buddhism in general. Relativization is inherent in the Buddhist teaching itself. Well, I digressed a bit. In conclusion, it is true that the Chan school founded the Chinese "Zen" tradition, from which the Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese (?) etc. traditions derive, but the "heart" of Zen teaching originates in India. Hypothetically, a school could have easily developed outside of China contemporaneously with ch'an, but well... ch'an took the exclusive.

truly, zen originated in India...

You're absolutely right about his "summery" vibe. Fortunately, I already knew him, and I must say that this summer it was a pleasure to listen to him; he was refreshing in the heat :D.

Charley is right. You can't sum up Saxophone Colossus in 10 lines. Come on!

Thanks for the tip! I'll let you know later...