c'è Banned

And one last thing, since it seems you often point out my arguments by saying "you’re wrong, your reasoning is flawed," etc., I remind you that you are the one who claimed that Queen copied from Metallica, that "Tie Your Mother Down" is metal (????), and that "Paranoid" is from 1971. We should evaluate things for what they are, not for what they have indirectly influenced: if midi that the Sabbath of "Paranoid" are metal, then it becomes correct to say that Robert Johnson was hard rock, or that the Stooges were punk. This, in my opinion, is a naïve attempt at assimilation, because there’s practically no stylistic difference between "Sunshine Of Your Love" or "Politician" and "Iron Man." They were hard rock, and I challenge anyone to prove otherwise.

And then really, let's stop with all this stuff taken from Wikipedia, from Ondarock, from Scaruffi; have you formed an opinion of your own? My thesis is absolutely confirmed: 90% of the comments on this page (as on many others) have been absorbed from things read elsewhere, and all of this is quite disheartening.

And then excuse me, you’re the one who says that Maiden are not the first metal band, but they were already playing in 1975. So you say that because they were playing in 1975, it is deontologically false to say that metal didn’t exist in 1976. From this reasoning of yours, it follows that metal is from 1975 and Maiden were the first.

Then "Black Sabbath" is absolutely not metal as an album, and the video you linked has nothing to do with it because I think it's posthumous by about 30 years compared to the period in question.

What you think of Black Sabbath, who invented heavy metal and for this reason are something different from it, I think of Judas Priest. Black Sabbath played hard rock, and until their first 5 or 6 albums, they continued to play hard rock. As for metal, you are the one mentioning Iron Maiden; I never brought that name up. And don’t use Wikipedia, which is the place where a ton of bullshit is written about music, second only to Debaser, of course. My link about Cream was referring to the drumming. You tell me that Iron Man was metal mainly because of the drums; I’m telling you there were people playing like that, and perhaps even better, years before. And I repeat, if you tell me that Iron Man is metal, then Politician and Sunshine Of Your Love are too, because they are based on the same patterns of drums, guitar, bass, etc. Obviously, you didn’t understand my reference because you consider "Iron Man" as metal. I’m saying that if "Iron Man" is metal in 1970, then those two songs by Cream are as well. The truth is that in all three cases, it’s hard rock, and "Iron Man" doesn’t present any innovation compared to these others. It won't be the themes of a song that change its genre. It’s not talking about Satan or witches that will change the genre.

calm down, calm down, Duane is already in 65th place on the list of human cases, everything is under control

The insights of Black Sabbath came before those of Cream; for instance, Geezer Butler played bass only because he had seen Bruce do it, and he used the famous de-tuning merely because he saw Jack Bruce do it. Moreover, although metal didn't exist at the time, in hindsight, Paice's sound was undoubtedly much heavier (and one could argue more metal) compared to Ward's, without a doubt.

Riccardo 1976 is not 1970’s Paranoid. And then, I haven’t read any arguments. Blackdog has not been able to provide reasoning; he managed to build castles in the air over a simple phrase that I copied directly from him. He then needs to explain what this phrase means: "io sò 'ciervellone', tu no pecché scrivi 'BlackDog'." Moreover, if you know music and want to engage in reasoning or reconstructions, then it’s best to motivate and argue, not to put words in someone else’s mouth. I mean, am I a Queen fan? When did I ever say that Mercury is a God? When did I ever give more than a 3 to this album? I believe there is indeed a lot of ignorance regarding the Queen, people who speak based on hearsay. Now, if you know all the Queen albums and tell me you think they suck and they are crap, then the conversation changes; but if you tell me the Queen are a banal and commercial band and you only know the banal and commercial songs, then it’s you trying to be a music critic in the style of Scaruffi.

BlackDog is a genius, no doubt about it, and his declarations to the queen are of solid credibility, I'd say 'granite-like' and without appeal.