DanVerlaine

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The Beatles Revolver
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The Beatles only allowed themselves to update their style when others had taken the responsibility to legitimize certain themes and sounds. The Beatles' risk, in their evolution, was always well calculated. They enjoyed enormous popularity, and by '66-'67 they could have released an album of burps and flatulence that someone would have bought anyway; considering the unique opportunity to savor this uncritical mass consensus, the fact that they continued to linger on their pop songs is rather disappointing.
It’s somewhat the same story for Radiohead, who put their album online for free: "oh, brilliant move, the first to do it (false)..." The truth is that Radiohead can afford it because they are Radiohead; otherwise, they wouldn't do it.
And yes, the pop songs, because that’s what they remained—pop songs. Year after year, only the outfit changed; the year when red was in, it was red, the year when purple was in, it was purple. When they hummed along without saying anything significant, Daltrey in '65 was stammering a burning anthem that testified to the entire sense of urgency and awareness of living in an irreplaceable phase for an entire generation. They were so satisfied with their little tunes (albeit with some exceptionally happy episodes) that "Let It Be" sounds like a prehistoric album considering everything that had come out in the previous years.
And anyway, I believe I need to correct you: the White Album is not such a "thoughtful" work, as you imply, but a collection of pieces that lay in the studio and that someone decided to put together and publish for them.
The Beatles Revolver
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I repeat, it’s not that you are wrong, but you bring the discussion to topics that end up lacking a specific relevance regarding the Beatles, and I don’t think this is the place to delve into them. When I speak of courage, I’ve exaggerated a concept.
First of all, the Beatles must be historically contextualized: the period from 1965 to 1970 was a historical time when young people started wanting to surpass parental models, attempting to break down the barriers of modesty and the prevailing puritanism of the post-war era. They aimed to challenge traditional bourgeois values; it was a world light-years away from today. Perhaps some find it hard to understand that Jagger's screams, singing about libido, were like blasphemies in church. Rock conveyed this extraordinary and unrepeatable youth fervor; it was its soundboard.
Dissonance, for example, was a symbolic choice, a rejection of the given world. In an era when rock music was used as a weapon, the Beatles used it like a music box. The Beatles were conciliatory; modern mothers began listening to them with their daughters, something that never happened with the Rolling Stones, who were regarded as akin to beasts of Satan. They did not represent that historical phase at a time when, as never before, rock and history went hand in hand. A title like that of a Spirit album, The Family That Plays Together, tells more than all the latest Beatles records.
For this reason, in my opinion, they were a pop band, which doesn't mean they couldn't have been a decent pop band; indeed, they undoubtedly were. Look at John: if the Beatles have one quality, it's their rather varied songbook. The point is that the myth surpasses the truth when someone claims that they were avant-gardists, the first to do everything, the best, the greatest geniuses of all time.
Having courage means genuinely risking unpopularity, means risking not being understood; the entire history of art should have taught something about this. Take The Velvet Underground and Nico, and there you go, do you remember "There She Goes Again" or "I'll Be Your Mirror"? What do those songs seem like to you? They seem to me like incredibly catchy songs appreciable by any idiot on the face of the earth; they are charming little tunes, earworms (although it's worth noting that Lou Reed's singing style was not exactly conventional, so a certain reluctance to listen might have been provoked back then).
The proof that the Velvet Underground could write excellent little songs is there; you know, The Velvet Underground and Nico didn’t sell much, probably twenty times less than the first Backstreet Boys album (though it did pick up over time).
Now, do you think the Velvet Underground wouldn’t have sold a lot more if they had made an entire album of songs of that type, with perhaps banal lyrics? I would say yes, and do you think they didn’t know that?? If they had wanted, they could have made an entire album along those lines, but they didn’t. Don’t look at how famous it is today; that work remained in the shadows for several years.
So what, were they idiots or perhaps masochists? NO! Very simply, they were a self-referential band that had the courage to risk commercial failure, sacrificing it at the altar of the freedom to express their creativity. And in that album, you find "Heroin," you find "The Black Angel's Death Song," "European Song," not exactly songs for a less demanding average audience. Those songs represent courageous choices.
A courageous song today would be a song that offends homosexuals, for example… Then yes, the Beatles updated themselves by absorbing various influences, but one thing is to be influenced, another is to be conformist. It wasn’t the Beatles who pointed the way as believed, but rather they followed it. The Beatles allowed themselves to update only when others had already taken the responsibility to introduce certain sounds or themes to the masses.
And come on, you’re not stupid; the Beatles weren’
Feeder Silent Cry
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I need to hear it. Is it really the best after Comfort? I didn't even mind Pushing The Senses.
Carpark North All Things To All People
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I lost a piece, I meant to say: they are content to put their skill at the service of catchy electro pop rock (with punk and metal bursts) without any great pretensions.
Carpark North All Things To All People
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A more than decent album from a band that perhaps doesn't fully exploit its talent. The appreciable nonchalance with which they blend their influences (Death Cab For Cutie, U2, Kashmir, Joy Division) would make the expectation of results far superior, or at least more ambitious, quite legitimate; instead, Carpark North settles for putting their skills to the service of an electro pop rock (with punk and metal bursts). All Things To All People presents itself as a sequence of well-crafted and skillfully arranged songs that alternates happy moments (in the majority) with episodes, as rightly noted in the review, that are not poor but rather bland. Recommended for anyone who might enjoy a slightly more eclectic version of Feeder with an electronic twist.
The Beatles Revolver
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Anyway, it seems to me that what CoolRemaster argues is quite focused, and I don't think he claims that this album represents a primeval and genius work. Well, he gives it a higher rating than I do, but one should read what he says because it might do some good. I would really like to know how many of those who throw around high ratings and say that the Beatles invented everything, and that this is a super-genius album, have actually listened to all the bands CoolRemaster mentions. This is a decent album with good songs, some excellent and some negligible. An album that is not genius and not very original. Tomorrow Never Knows? Great, but it's just one track and has little to do with the rest.
The Beatles Revolver
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John, irony is fine, but let’s try to understand each other.
D'Alessio publishes light music without big ambitions that might guarantee him success among a certain audience.
D'Alessio is careful that his music can always have a good commercial return.
You find D'Alessio's music courageous because you believe it's music to be ashamed of, but many people do not think like you at all; a lot of people enjoy that music—maybe not me, maybe not you, but a lot of people do, and it's actually a type of music that attracts a large audience in Italy.
Other than that, I agree with you that we couldn't know what Lennon would have done if he had grown up in another context; PERHAPS THAT'S WHY WE EVALUATE WHAT HE HAS ACTUALLY DONE, because the hypothetical albums Lennon could have made growing up in that environment have never been heard, thus lacking the object of our evaluations.
It would be absurd to judge someone's work by what they could have done rather than what they actually did.
In life, we don't all have the same conditions and equal opportunities; Lennon may have had fewer opportunities than others growing up in Liverpool, but there are many who had even fewer opportunities than Lennon.
Your way of reasoning leads to surreal conclusions that have nothing to do with our discussion about a Beatles album. Because reasoning as you do could lead to the statement that it’s pointless for us to talk about music, since somewhere else in the world someone who can afford a computer and an Internet connection would write things far wiser than us, making us irrelevant.
I am not an extremist; perhaps I just think differently from you about the Beatles.
Recognizing the importance of cultural background doesn’t mean we have to refrain from expressing an evaluation of a work; it goes without saying that no one is the oracle of truth.
Then... I can theoretically agree with what you say about cultural avant-garde, but you are dealing with this world, with a specific history, not with an imaginary one.
So what do you suggest we do regarding those musical genres that may not have evolved?
Should we say, "Oh, how terrible Neil Young is; there’s that album by that Filipino artist from the '30s who, had he ever released a record, would have written infinitely better music than Young’s"?
One cannot diminish what is given based on what could have been but wasn’t.
I too have written in my mind the greatest album of all time many times, but it seems no one has reviewed it.
Again, what do you suggest we do? Should we talk about these hypothetical genres or geniuses, instead of those who have had the fortune to publish their music?
You’ve strayed too far in defending the Beatles, making generic arguments with historical, anthropological, and sociological overtones that I don’t see how they can diminish or discredit what I say about the Beatles.
Rest assured, I know very well that my knowledge is as limited as anyone else's; I know Socrates' lesson.
By the way, perhaps you haven’t realized that your reflections, if one wanted to, could easily be used to downsize the Beatles, not to defend their greatness.
The Beatles The Beatles (White Album)
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Then, if you're really interested, I was on Scaruffi's website about 2 months ago, and I have to say that thanks to him, I discovered a really beautiful album, the one by Fleet Foxes (not strange at all). Then I got the song he considers the best of the year, Eraser by No Age, and honestly, I think it sucks pretty badly. The Queen Is Dead is one of my favorite albums, and the fact that Scaruffi doesn't speak very well of the Smiths doesn't change anything for me.
The Beatles The Beatles (White Album)
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First of all, PsychoPompe, I'm glad about the tone you use; I'm not an enemy of anyone, we're just debating music, and it's a pleasure for me. I only say that what you risk doing is putting my opinions into a scheme without granting me the benefit of the doubt of being someone who thinks for themselves. I'm 25 years old, and I know what I'm talking about; I'm passionate about sociology and well aware of what Tocqueville says about phenomena like the "tyranny of experts" as well as the "tyranny of the majority." I reiterate that the Beatles influenced the lifestyle and habits of the youth just like reality show contestants do today (girls' tastes, the way teenagers dress, passion for the gym, tattoos, eyelash extensions, tanning beds). One is a phenomenon that manifests itself more subtly, while the other was a phenomenon that occurred through media overexposure. The sociological mechanism and the type of influence are very similar.
Certainly, the Beatles were not capable of influencing anyone's ideas simply because they did not express ideas in their songs—only in a few rare instances, following the path laid out by others, did they allow themselves to do so (I have a VHS of a Beatles cassette series where Lennon himself says he started to "talk about life" after hearing Dylan). However, let it be clear that I’m not claiming that one must necessarily be the first to have done something in order to be considered great. I only challenge the idea that the Beatles can be regarded as a rock band at a time when rock was particularly marked by the function of being a vehicle for the rebellious spirit of youth and their dream of changing the world, their desires for anarchy, for the exploration of new musical territories, for breaking down the barriers of the forbidden, and for shocking the puritans. Certainly, the music of the Beatles is not the most suitable to represent that historical phase. By the end of the ‘60s, rock was the music of opposition, and the Beatles were not a rock band; they were a good pop band.
You say that "not everything strange is beautiful." Well, what clues have I provided for you to believe that I think everything strange is beautiful? You’re likely attributing to me an equation that you think Scaruffi made inappropriately, with the small detail that I'm not Scaruffi. I didn’t think I’d have to conduct a conversation about Scaruffi; maybe I'm mistaken, but I don't think this is a forum, so I express what I think about the review and the album just as any other user does. By writing these things here, I was addressing any hypothetical person who might search for "White Album review" on Google. I see a flurry of fives and fours and ecstatic descriptions of the album, so it doesn't seem to me that the kid entering Debaser could develop such a malicious idea of the Beatles, or do we want everyone to think the same way?
What’s the problem if kids are influenced by Scaruffi? They certainly are not less influenced by the myth than the kids who start to worship them. The point is that kids should be helped to develop a critical spirit by drawing from all sources, then reworking everything to form their own ideas. It seems to me that (check some questions on Yahoo Answers) anyone who dares to say that the Beatles are overrated gets bombarded with attacks, complete with insults directed at Scaruffi following the barrage. Among other things, the equation "strange-beautiful" is certainly no less incorrect than "famous-good-beautiful," which is the one that most influences perceptions of the Beatles.
The Beatles The Magical Mistery Tour
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I hope no one really believed that was Scaruffi..
Anyway, it's my favorite Beatles album. A sequence of great pop songs, fun, intriguing, seductive, evocative.
The Fool On The Hill is a gem of light music, Strawberry Fields Forever is a masterpiece of psychedelic pop rock, and Hello Goodbye is among the Beatles’ chart-topping songs, one of the 4 or 5 most interesting.
I would call it "tasty."
My favorite by the Beatles, highly recommended. Better than SGT. Peppers, an overrated album.