A fable about conduct and evergreen good manners, teeming with inventiveness and characters deservedly ingrained in the collective imagination: strongly moralistic, yet never tedious, ironic, and even melancholic in its evocative final closure, symbolizing the detachment from childhood.
A tasty cinematic opening to a saga that will inevitably regress, completely wasting the beautiful source material; however, the first chapter remains a more than decent film that manages to convey the fairy-tale sense and the wonder of discovering a magical world, thanks in part to a good musical theme. Well-crafted characterizations.
  • tonysoprano
    10 jun 16
    Regarding the characterization of the characters, I have something to say...
  • adrmb
    10 jun 16
    I meant to say that they seemed faithful to those in the book XD
  • tonysoprano
    10 jun 16
    that I haven't read. Then I only saw the first movie.
  • adrmb
    10 jun 16
    Get them back, the saga is very beautiful in my opinion.
  • tonysoprano
    10 jun 16
    When I have time...
  • adrmb
    10 jun 16
    Brafo, I'm awaiting your opinion u.u
  • tonysoprano
    10 jun 16
    On books or movies? Because I hate reading.
  • llawyer
    10 jun 16
    The only one I liked almost as much as the book
  • adrmb
    10 jun 16
    @[tonysoprano] I was talking about books XD Movies are really terrible, but I find the books decent and enjoyable. But if you don't like reading... XD
  • tonysoprano
    10 jun 16
    I noticed on your profile that you are also passionate about Japanese animation. That's a good thing.
  • tonysoprano
    10 jun 16
    Even though I truly know very few anime/anime films.
  • adrmb
    10 jun 16
    I just finished watching 'Anne of Green Gables', it was beautiful ^
    Anyway, I still don't know many, but I have an adoration for Takahata. XD
  • tonysoprano
    10 jun 16
    I particularly appreciate Japanese comics, even though I've never had continuity with this interest.
  • adrmb
    10 jun 16
    Here, I’m really lacking in manga; I’ve only read 'Death Note.'
  • tonysoprano
    10 jun 16
    I have read (and I recommend) Devil Man, Berserk, Monster (the BEST), Full Metal Alchemist, and Claymore.
  • adrmb
    11 jun 16
    Thank you very much! ^^
A remarkable comic, a true discovery. The story of a thirty-six-year-old flabby and maladjusted man attempting to rebuild his relationship with his father, both characters dysfunctional and tinged with misogyny and racism. The techniques with which the narrative is woven are remarkable, very "stream of consciousness," with various digressions from the main events and the characters' daydreams, where the most repressed instincts and impulses of the human soul are vented, as well as the parallelism with another story, another dysfunctional father-son relationship involving Jimmy's great-grandfather and grandfather. A fairly demanding read due to the dense use of the table, the numerous graphic and visual inventions, but extremely rewarding; at first, the graphical and narrative setup can repel and frustrate, but once the mechanism is understood, the story and involvement take flight, offering genuinely touching moments.
Far from the splendor of the first five Classics, there remains a more than pleasant vision in which the most appreciable aspect is those modern touches that peek out here and there in a story that is as classic as it gets. Aesthetically, it is an absolute masterpiece, with backgrounds inspired by Gothic art that are simply orgasmic, and the soundtrack of Tchaikovsky's ballet is exquisite. A clear case where the (immense) packaging ultimately elevates a "merely" decent content.
  • hjhhjij
    10 may 16
    Right. In terms of story and characters, this is the younger brother of Snow White; I can't stand any of them except the villain, who, however, has half the charisma of the witch from '37.
  • adrmb
    10 may 16
    Yes, but Aurora is a great character u.u, she's very modern, lively, and mischievous in the little screen time she gets. I quote the creator of the Disney Compendium when he says that half of her drawn eyebrow artistically sinks 'Maleficent' ahahah. And Maleficent rules, I'm sorry u.u XDD But it's mainly thanks to Marc Davis's animation, he worked so hard to make her always cold and composed (note that she is practically the opposite of the neurotic Cruella, what a great Davis). And the suspense-filled scene with the spindle? ^
  • hjhhjij
    10 may 16
    But indeed Maleficent is a mean villain, no doubt about it. But I prefer the neurosis of Cruella; it gives me more anxiety. I'm talking about characterizations, not animations, which are unquestionable. However, the real show stealer is always Queen Grimhilde with her psychedelic hallucinogenic transformations in "Little Bastard Chemistry" mode. It's too impressive. Aurora may be what you say, but she still annoys me :D And "Maleficent" doesn't need to be buried by anything; it does just fine on its own :D
  • adrmb
    10 may 16
    By the way, have you read Fellini's opinion on the gothic part of Snow White? ^
  • hjhhjij
    10 may 16
    No. What does it say?
  • adrmb
    10 may 16
    One aspect that particularly impressed me was perhaps the least obvious, yet it was consistently present in all of his films: a more unsettling, darker, more sinister aspect, reminiscent of a gothic fairy tale, a dark fairy tale. The parts that seem the most beautiful, the most successful, were precisely those that pertained to this ability of his to evoke - always with the same sign, so enveloping, curvilinear, soft, fluffy - to evoke atmospheres that are truly gloomy, almost like a horror film.

    One of the most beautiful sequences, also for its touch of great psychological finesse, is precisely when the queen, overwhelmed by jealousy because she learned that there is someone in the realm more beautiful than herself, tries to create a fruit, a poisoned apple to make Snow White bite it. Here we see a psychological finesse of a great author: the queen, in order to make the apple more enticing, more irresistible, tends to make it so beautiful, so luscious, that almost she herself is tempted, that almost she herself would like to bite this poisoned fruit. And at one moment, she offers it to a black crow (...), which recoils in fright.

    On that occasion, Fellini extended the discussion to other Disney works, such as Pinocchio (1940), where he talked about the scene in which the wooden puppet and Lampwick turn into "donkeys," comparing it to the scene present in the original work by Carlo Collodi: "While in Collodi it had the buffoonish and moralistic tones of a punitive metamorphosis, in Disney the scene took on the truly unsettling tones of a horror film; it was the metamorphosis of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde." Ahhhhh ^
    Ale Montosi Blog: Biancaneve, Disney e l'horror: tra le critiche degli adulti e gli elogi di Federico Fellini <-- source u.u
  • hjhhjij
    10 may 16
    He's right, but after all, "Snow White" was a German fairy tale from the early 19th century that already had this somewhat gothic and dark fairy tale aspect, and the Disney movie captures that well. Traditional fairy tales can sometimes be quite creepy, not to mention horror films.
  • adrmb
    10 may 16
    And the flocks of birds even more. (And guess whose fault it is, rip)
  • hjhhjij
    10 may 16
    :D That movie has always given me terrible anxiety, but it hasn't reflected in reality. I don't freak out over flocks of birds.
  • adrmb
    10 may 16
    F*** YOU, yes, one day I heard them chirping everywhere, and out of nowhere a leaf hit me in the face and I nearly had a heart attack.
  • hjhhjij
    10 may 16
    We are all psychologically vulnerable. Imagine someone who watches "Snow White" and then develops a fear of apples XD Not to mention the people who, after "It," start beating up clowns at birthday parties.
  • adrmb
    10 may 16
    Oh my God, now that you mention it, my grandparents told me that when I was little I got an insane anxiety about wheelchairs, and when my grandmother used one temporarily in the hospital, I went totally crazy, help XDD
  • hjhhjij
    10 may 16
    That, however, didn’t come from the movies; it was all yours. I’m convinced I enjoy listening to psychedelic music without taking acid because of certain elephants, can you believe it?
  • adrmb
    10 may 16
    *coff coff* Heidi *coff coff* Clara *coff coff* the little goats say hello to you *coff coff*
  • hjhhjij
    10 may 16
    Oh right. And there too lies the possible key to a psychotropic trauma with the laughing mountains. And this one too (if only she had arrived in OUAT 5, a beautiful cannon and off we go all happy) an obvious anthem to the sniffles :DDDD
  • adrmb
    10 may 16
    Well, that snippet has truly become iconic ahuahuahuahu
  • hjhhjij
    10 may 16
    Yes, but it's a bit worrying. I watched something about Pollon as a kid on TV, but oh, I don't remember a damn thing.
  • adrmb
    10 may 16
    Same, at the end I remember it had like a butterfly emblem, I laugh, but nothing more lol. As for mythology, as a kid I used to devour the little books of Banane D'Oro, I don’t know if you know them.
  • hjhhjij
    10 may 16
    No. I rediscovered Greek mythology thanks to classical high school. Before that, I only had the distorted view from "Hercules," and just imagine the shock of discovering 1) how brutal they actually were 2) what the real relationship and bond between Heracles and Hera was.
  • hjhhjij
    10 may 16
    I discovered wonderful stories in those 5 years. Gruesome to the limit. Panic. Death everywhere, torture, damnation, annoying and whimsical characters, scenes that today’s splatter can sweep the floor with, eyeballs popping out, hangings, wars, and the madonna! There's "Oedipus Rex," that bestial masterpiece by that crazy guy Sophocles, it's the first thriller in history :D
  • adrmb
    10 may 16
    Yes yes, everything is nice, but nothing compared to the versions of Cicero that used to earn me nice 9s hehe. I really should get back to mythology anyway.
  • hjhhjij
    10 may 16
    #teamclassico To continue the saga of misfortunes (Sofocles is one of my favorite authors, in case it wasn’t clear) "Oedipus at Colonus" and especially "Antigone." Another story of mishaps and anguish from which there is no escape. And you can tell that up on Olympus they were really indulging, huh.
  • hjhhjij
    10 may 16
    No, seriously, "Antigone" is terrible, #tearsinrain. I think I experienced high school a bit differently than you. I did better in literature than in grammar; I've never let go of mythology (I'm the kind of weirdo who re-reads the Iliad just for fun), while I really struggled much more with translations (well, Latin wasn't too bad, but Greek—brrr...). Unless the story I had to translate really grabbed me (psychologically engaging). And I ended up with some "beautiful" stories even with the translations. The trial of Catiline? A blast. But that was history; gruesome mythology is more fascinating because the brutalities are fantasy. ;)
  • adrmb
    10 may 16
    Oh dear, I remember the titles and the general storyline, but I've wiped the content from my mind, I'm so ashamed ahah. When I finish my exams, I'll get back to them lol.
  • adrmb
    10 may 16
    ...We have never made the Iliad...
    RIP.
  • hjhhjij
    10 may 16
    And what the hell kind of classic was #liceofamocomecepare? XD We spent eons or something like that on the Iliad...
  • hjhhjij
    10 may 16
    Well, I too remember a lot of things broadly in literature, but not in Greek or Roman because I'm really passionate about it, so I often revisit those. However, certain Italian literature, for instance… Who the hell remembers that? But go ahead, bring them back, those pages are dripping with blood, watch out XD
  • adrmb
    10 may 16
    In the first year, we had a screwed-up teacher who gave us two bullshit sheets in September with the summaries of the Iliad and the Odyssey, and then we jumped straight into the Aeneid (which was supposed to be in the second year's syllabus). On the bright side, the following year we studied 'I Promessi Sposi' with the new teacher, and I really love them.
    Do you know how to read in meter?
  • hjhhjij
    10 may 16
    Latin? I had learned it. Will it be like riding a bike? No, because I didn’t keep applying the technique afterwards... I got it, the difficult one was pro-Roman Empire :D But am I the only one who did these things both in Gymnasium and in high school? I’ve always had prepared, capable, and passionate teachers about the subject. Even in Italian literature. However, I still don’t like "I promessi sposi." But so much earlier Italian literature does appeal to me, a lot. Unfortunately, I had a terrible luck with English literature, which I fortunately love on my own; if it had depended on my teacher...
  • hjhhjij
    10 may 16
    And with all due respect for Virgilione, trivializing these two Homeric works is criminal.
  • adrmb
    10 may 16
    I... in fifth grade I got really into the math program, laughing.
    Me too, a loser in English; our teacher was super prepared, but he didn’t command respect, so during his classes there was always an insane mess. So, well... was your teacher a bitch instead? XD
  • adrmb
    10 may 16
    Anyway, you're making me nostalgic for the classics, help, I want to go back.
  • hjhhjij
    10 may 16
    The worst of the worst, even if not helped by those fucking elements in class (in fact, from you, as from me, there shouldn’t have been all that chaos okay the professor needs to keep control, but a little, I say a little self-control, there was no limit from us...) ended up becoming boring, arrogant, and definitely essetierreoennezetaa with everyone. And no, I didn't like how she treated the subject. But we did well in Milton, I have to admit that.
  • hjhhjij
    10 may 16
    Not me. Let's not exaggerate XD
  • adrmb
    10 may 16
    It's just that, I don't know, when I think about it I feel a bit of nostalgia; I believe I could have delved deeper into the various literatures. If I went back now, I'd probably tackle everything with more rigor and passion, definitely.
One of Disney's greatest masterpieces (second only to the immense first five Classics), capable of cleverly and inspirationally bringing to the screen the nonsense atmosphere characteristic of Carroll's book. It doesn’t achieve the highest mark due to the scene with the excellent advice, completely out of context with the rest of the film's tones, included to make the audience empathize with Alice, thus sacrificing the potentially beautiful segment of the Jabberwocky.