In my opinion, the cover of What a Wonderful World is the best cover done by Cave (and Shane McGowan). What annoys you are, for me, the strengths of this version! I wonder how you can listen to Tom Waits if the boozy atmosphere bothers you!
The cover of Tower of Song (originally on I'm Your Fan... a tribute album to Leonard Cohen) is, on the other hand, one of the ugliest covers ever created (this one is truly just shameless... moreover, it's not spontaneous, forced, and perpetually over-the-top... in short, they've ruined a masterpiece). Fortunately, on that album, there's also the version done by Robert Forster that does full justice to Cohen's great song!
Dear El Guevo, regarding the fact that this is a commercial operation, it seems to me that it's written and that we are in agreement. I know the album "I'm Your Fan" and I like it. As for "What a Wonderful World," I didn't like that version for the reasons mentioned above; conversely, I didn't mind the one you dislike (tower of song). I don't see anything strange in that; in fact, I believe it's an extremely normal thing and easy to understand. The rest, referring to the sentence about Tom Waits regarding me, is just hot air. Perhaps you should start asking yourself smarter questions; you would gain from it. Good luck.
"I don't see anything strange about it, in fact I believe it's an extremely normal and simple thing to understand"... excuse me, but what the hell are you talking about? Look, I understood perfectly! That it's a commercial operation, can't I say that too? Why are you so sensitive? I simply don't agree with you! Does that bother you a lot? Well, I couldn't care less. P.S. Try to get down from your pedestal; I might ask some not-so-smart questions, but with your last comment, you’ve shown yourself to be a perfect idiot and a bit rude too!
"stupid questions" is obviously a typo, I mean to say “stupid questions”... being as picky as you are, I wouldn’t want you to have a panic attack... like "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" "What does it mean?" (continues)
Dear El Guevo, piece of advice number two of the day: instead of using insults, I suggest you scent the fried air of your arguments with a ginger essence; you will reap great benefits from it. Jokes aside, don’t take it the wrong way, dear El Guevo. Regarding the fact that it’s a commercial operation, I wanted to highlight that we think the same about it, nothing more. As for the disagreement on the indicated tracks, I wanted to say that it’s a natural thing; my impression is that it bothers you when someone doesn’t agree with your judgment, nothing else. About the quote from Waits that was nonsense, nothing more. I hope it’s clear; if it’s not, I’m always ready to clarify. If you set aside the insults and this kindergarten spam, you would do me a big favor. Thank you.
Can you express a concept without insulting? Is this moralism? I'm not asking for much, just a courtesy. But it seems you don't want to grant me that, so for me the discussion is over. As for moralism, you seem a bit confused on the subject, but rather than dwell on it further, I will take your advice and dedicate myself to something more important than your person. I won’t have much trouble finding it.
The guevo, but if you don’t have a damn thing to do, try not to be a pain in the ass here, where there are people spending their time writing for others!
No, maybe it’s not exactly like that. Upon rereading, one realizes that while El Guevo went hard, I also wasn’t light on him. And perhaps in hindsight, it wasn’t necessary. Maybe just one more emoticon would have been enough to understand each other. On the other hand, it’s always the same issue with written communication: sometimes, we just don’t get each other. I might not have understood El Guevo, and he might not have understood me. It happens sometimes. The important thing is that there’s always a way to backtrack. Bye :)
Mr. Relativism, I insist, I persist, increasingly convinced in my intent... what do you say about bigamy, or shared quadrigamy? I also have a nice little man to share, even if he doesn’t know it...
After all, ohjesus, men are always the last to know :)) Eh eh eh josi, at least we have "bone machine" as a point of contact (nice "All stripped down," right? Anyway, one of the ones I love the most is "Who Are You"). Bye
Dear anonymous ones (both the "astonished" and the "foolish"), if you read the comments carefully, you will notice that I was the only one leaving comments about Nick Cave's album and music, and I don't think this is being a nuisance! Furthermore, this was an opportunity to discuss the music contained in this album and perhaps compare other covers done by the great Australian singer-songwriter, instead of dismissing my comments (or ironic questions) as unintelligent (just because they did not align with and clashed with the taste of the reviewer!) and letting the discussion drop with irreverent responses in a sarcastic tone. Of course, I reacted and exaggerated (and I apologize if this hurt the sensitivity and fragility of certain de-baseriani), but I was provoked, and luckily Hal admits this too, and I thank him for it!
As always, an impeccable review. Regarding the alcoholic version of What A Wonderful World: I agree with Hal. WAWW is a sunny and positive song. Turning this piece into a tavern song (I exaggerate, but it's to make a point), resigned and dragging, is almost sacrilegious, but we know that Cave is like this, caught between damnation and blessing, so we forgive him because we love him. No one is perfect, not even Cave. --- These operations always leave me puzzled. The famous b-sides. They’re like grandma's sweaters made from leftover yarn. They seem like a concession, just giving something for the sake of giving. In this case, it’s enjoyable; Nick Cave is always a splendid wolf, but I believe that an album should tell a complete story. It should reflect on the choice of songs and their sequence. There should be a sound work that makes the whole thing a complete piece (not homogeneous, mind you). There should be logical continuity. I hate randomness, and these compilations feel like random 'suggestions' from the author. So if it’s just for commercial purposes, I’d prefer compilations of others' songs chosen by the artist in question. Like the CDs your friend makes with his favorite tracks. It feels like a much friendlier gesture. I would love to hear the selection Cave would make... what artists do you think he would choose? Do you think he would include Waits (I think so...)... who else? (Just to change the subject, huh?) :))
Well, El Guevo, from my point of view, it’s not exactly as you say, but I don’t feel like arguing. I’ve said what I felt needed to be said, I acknowledge that it was generally exaggerated, and I prefer to put it behind us, maybe returning to talk about music since Gabri's hint gives me the opportunity to do so. As luck would have it, I’ve been listening to two albums that can be considered another commercial operation, but more interesting and partially aligned with what Kappa says: Original Seeds vol 1 and 2. Two albums from 1998 and 2004 that I only recently discovered. These are nothing but a collection of songs "that inspired Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds." It wasn’t Cave who selected the tracks (I believe), and stated this way, it really sounds like just a way to milk money from his fans (perhaps that is indeed the case, but at the same time, these are not exactly widely circulated albums). Nevertheless, I have to admit that the compilation is beautiful!!! There are 30 songs, each one more beautiful than the last (Tom Waits is included: way down in the hole, which is linked to "Red Right Hand") and the logical thread, the meaning, is provided by the rich notes in the booklet, which offer a thousand references and explanations about the connection between the songs and NC&TBS. I haven’t quite understood whether Cave approved or not this compilation work and the meticulous note-taking done by Kim Beissel, which is worth reading and rereading, but - I repeat - the songs are beautiful!! Some of them I didn’t know, so it was a great listening experience also for discovery.
I also leave you the list of musicians from this compilation: Tim Rose, Gene Vincent & The Blue Caps, Leonard Cohen, Karen Dalton, The Sensational Alex Harvey Band, Tom Jones, The Loved Ones, Scott Walker, John Lee Hooker, Lefty Frizzell, Johnny Cash, Odetta, Blind Willie Johnson, The Edwin Hawkins Singers, Serge Gainsbourg & Jane Birkin, Isaac Hayes, Harry Belafonte, Tom Waits, Fred Neil, Gang of Four, Bob Dylan, The First Edition, Elvis Presley, Nina Simone, The Stooges, Leadbelly, Hoyt Axton, Lou Reed, Alice Cooper.
Well, kosmogabri, the b-sides can also be sweaters made by grandma from leftover yarn, but sometimes they are excellent sweaters! There are absolutely perfect albums conceived as a collection of singles, and the b-sides that surpass the collection itself, becoming complete albums as you say... for example, Louder Than Bombs by The Smiths is one of those or the stunning Bona Drag by Morrissey! The problem with this, however, is that Nick Cave leaves out the best stuff, with the exception of the old collaboration with Shane, for which I’ve already expressed my opinion on one song (provoking, alas, a small controversy)... I know I'm biased and I realize that someone like Shane may not appeal to everyone, but I adore Shane McGowan!
Honestly, b-sides often irritate me, even though a compilation of this kind can have a sense and a summarizing value. Overall, in this case, it's the weak concept that stands out. Too much on the table without a logic thread other than the compilation itself. In fact, when it comes to albums, I completely agree with K. when he says they should tell a complete story, they should have a soul, I would say. Then, as El Guevo says, there can also be exceptions to the scheme, which shouldn't be rigid. That said, regarding what the best things are, well, for me that's also relative to different tastes and personalities, all of which are respectable. In this case, what a wonderful world is, for some, a beautiful song, and for others, less so. I believe – not just now – that it’s right this way; after all, I've always thought that if we were in agreement on everything, life would really be a deadly bore. Hi (ps if you’re interested in the compilation with a bè di jenti, let me know, I mean fabeddamilu, I can bring it to the meeting you can organize for Kz :)) )
Cleo
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