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Queen Made In Heaven
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@BLACKDOG
I should start by saying that I’m a fan of Prog... and that I listened to it "ad nauseam" in my youth... However, I consider "Selling England" by the Genesis and also part of Foxtrot among the most overrated, pompous things of the '70s... In my humble opinion, Genesis produced their best work with the trio WITHOUT GABRIEL: A Trick of the Tail, Wind & Wuthering, and And Then There Were Three... Plus the legendary Live Seconds Out, truly phenomenal... That was still Prog, but without the Baroque... It was a more fusion-oriented Prog brought forth by the JAZZ musician Phil Collins... And this is not an opinion, it's history... Then came oblivion...
As for Queen... Well, sure, they didn't invent anything, they weren't "intellectuals" like Bowie, they weren't "technical" like King Crimson and the other greats of Prog (let's not forget Camel, Caravan, Strawbs, and company), but they managed to (re)appropriate the crude and raw GLAM Rock (which had a nod to a certain proto-punk) of New York Dolls, Stooges, T-Rex and blend it with other musical genres, such as the cabaret music of German memory (the '20s), operetta (which was quite popular in England in the '30s, '40s, and '50s), and the emerging Heavy Rock... all in a unique mélange, perhaps, and this may seem blasphemous, "guided" by the (too) histrionic frontman of the band...
Freddie was over the top, in everything... When he managed to channel his eclecticism "well," he created great things; other times, he produced frankly forgettable, if not embarrassing, music... just like David Bowie, indeed, and many, many others...
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Queen Made In Heaven
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@KINSON
If you say that in the '90s Pop-Rock was garbage, I think you missed something... Amidst the junk of Brit-Pop and the nauseating Boybands...
The "something" in question is represented by "little gems" such as "On Every Street" by Dire Straits, the self-titled debut of "4 Non Blondes" (a true pearl), the double "Use Your Illusion" by Guns N' Roses, and the Black Album by Metallica... This is just to stick to the mainstream (although I'm sure I've left out plenty... Oh yes, I'd also include "Ghost of Tom Joad" by Springsteen, "Time Out of Mind" by Dylan—his masterpiece from the last 20 years—"Images and Words" by Dream Theater... And then something from Radiohead, Nick Cave, and illustrious company)... Ahem... I was saying... this is to stay in the mainstream... Not to mention the "underground" with bands like "Porcupine Tree," "Dead Can Dance," "Death in June"..... And then, and then.... Well, the emerging "Gothic Metal" movement, the "Symphonic"... in short, all the "non-classic" Metal bands of today that took their first steps back then... And I also include Neo-Prog (take that, Porcupine aside)... In short, the list is long, very long....
But what the hell were you listening to in the '90s?? :-))
Ciao
Queen Made In Heaven
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@KINSON
If you say that in the '90s Pop-Rock was garbage, I think you missed something... Amidst the junk of Brit-Pop and the nauseating Boybands...
The "something" in question is represented by "little gems" such as "On Every Street" by Dire Straits, the self-titled debut of "4 Non Blondes" (a true pearl), the double "Use Your Illusion" by Guns N' Roses, and the Black Album by Metallica... This is just to stick to the mainstream (although I'm sure I've left out plenty... Oh yes, I'd also include "Ghost of Tom Joad" by Springsteen, "Time Out of Mind" by Dylan—his masterpiece from the last 20 years—"Images and Words" by Dream Theater... And then something from Radiohead, Nick Cave, and illustrious company)... Ahem... I was saying... this is to stay in the mainstream... Not to mention the "underground" with bands like "Porcupine Tree," "Dead Can Dance," "Death in June"..... And then, and then.... Well, the emerging "Gothic Metal" movement, the "Symphonic"... in short, all the "non-classic" Metal bands of today that took their first steps back then... And I also include Neo-Prog (take that, Porcupine aside)... In short, the list is long, very long....
But what the hell were you listening to in the '90s?? :-))
Ciao
Queen Made In Heaven
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I instead believe that DaveJohnGilmour is right... "Videos" have always existed, well, at least since the '60s... They were cinematic shots (and this is perhaps where the misunderstanding arises) made with "cine cameras" (a.k.a. celluloid) and not video cameras... I immediately think of "ScarecroW" by the Pink Floyd, but also many "things" by Dylan, not to mention the Beatles (the famous "live" video filmed on the roof of a building) and quite a few of the videos that accompanied the making of "Sgt. Pepper's" and the subsequent "Magical Mystery Tour"... I mean, guys, those were, FOR ME, videos. Period. End of discussion... Ok, maybe they didn't have their own scripts, so here it's better to clarify the misunderstanding...
If I'm not mistaken, in "The ScarecroW" there was Mason who in one shot was miming "playing the drums" among the tall grass like a lively Teresa :-))... That, I repeat, is a video for me...
If we then want to consider a video as an artistic expression, functional to the song, constructed, stitched together, I would dare say, like a short film of 3 or 4 minutes, in which sometimes "the meaning" of the song itself is explained, then, also from a purely aesthetic point of view, "BR" by Queen was the first...
Regards.
Queen A Kind of Magic
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SPLINTER
I fear you have a very vague idea of what rock is, and I'm not just referring to music in general... If for you music (and the skill of musicians) is measured by how many notes the latest virtuoso can hold in a minute on their Fender or by 7/8 time signatures with mind-bending solos, I think you've understood very little... Music is emotion... Yesterday is based on 2 or 3 chords and is considered one of the most important "songs" of the 20th century...
Dream Theater is an interesting "course in instrument pedagogy," but after Images And Words (let's include A Change of Seasons, I want to be generous) they haven't said ANYTHING...
No emotion, nothing, cosmic nothingness, packaged with formidable "technique," yes, but ultimately for its own sake... I don't remember a single song by DT, not one... Yet the (few) times I listen to them I always think: yes, great piece, incredible breaks, great voice"... But... WHAT A DRAG!!! And at that point, I pull out any album by Weather Report, Miles Davis, or Herbie Hancock... And I tell myself: yes, these guys are also doing mind-blowing things (musically and technically), but they have soul... Then I look back at DT and say: yes, you too have soul... The soul of your dead ancestors.....
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Queen News Of The World
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I remember when my mother gifted me her LP... And she said to me, "start listening to good music" (back then I was crazy about Madonna, Michael Jackson, and Duran Duran)...
It truly was a tremendous gift... Not just the object itself... But what it contained...
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Queen Queen II
Queen Queen II
30 jan 09
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When Mercury (by his own admission) coincidentally attended a performance of Montserrat Caballé at "Covent Garden" (London), he was absolutely captivated and thrilled, and, again by his own admission, he asked his companion who that singer was, but especially what "music it was"... Indeed, Freddie knew next to nothing about opera, at least until that evening in the mid-'80s... "Bohemian Rhapsody" (according to Freddie's closest collaborators and the Queen) was born from the "vocal" exercises that British bands would perform "before concerts" in the restrooms of the venues hosting them... They all went to the bathroom... eh, there you go with the vocal exercises... Moreover, Freddie grew up musically with the vocal Pop of the late '50s (Everly Brothers) already revisited by Simon & Garfunkel and the Beatles... If we want to talk about the "a cappella" style... not only that: the pre-puberty spent in India left him with many traces of music that today would be defined as "ethnic"... Songs in Arabic or "Pharsi" prayers (let's not forget that he was of Persian-Zoroastrian origin). From these backgrounds, "Bohemian Rhapsody" and other Queen songs matured, certainly not from the opera that Freddie, alas, only got to know at the end of his career and life...
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Queen A Night At The Opera
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Let’s say that "Bohemian Rhapsody" is a great clever trick, and I say this as an admirer of Queen... In reality, if we think of "Progressive Rock," the epic suites of Genesis, Emerson, Lake & Palmer, Yes, etc., Bohemian Rhapsody comes out defeated... Defeated from a purely compositional and technical standpoint... Mercury’s genius was to take a "certain prog" (traces of Van Der Graaf Generator and Uriah Heep), but to embed it within a "song," a mini-suite, that unlike the "progressive colleagues" wouldn’t just slide into 10-minute instrumental escapades, complete with orchestras, synth parades, or ear-splitting drum solos... He tried to channel it within the "song form," with a clearly defined, melodic, and singable refrain...
The rest of the album is still of high quality... The merit of Queen was to have fused together glam, progressive, hard rock, metal (in a nascent form), jazz, blues, and classical music, but above all a kind of "show music," "cabaret," anticipating even (I would dare say) symphonic, gothic, operatic metal that today has become the norm... They were the only ones who, by changing style within each album, stubbornly "out of the ordinary," did not sink with the PUNK jolt, but rather could still afford great audiences and legions of new teenagers over the course of two decades, decades so different from each other... Undoubtedly, it’s thanks to Freddie, but also to the biting guitar style of that (not exceptional) guitarist, Brian May, the monolithic yet funky bass lines of Deacon, and the very understated (yet functional to the melodies) rhythm of Taylor... Where the great prog groups got lost in a self-referentiality and a logorrhea that by the end of the '70s had almost nauseated listeners, Queen learned from them the art of "showmanship," and demonstrated that although they were technically less gifted (apart from the voice, of course) than the greats of the past, they could give the impression of an educated, different, yet entertaining music that was never boring...
Regards
Scorpions Fly To The Rainbow
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Indeed! I remember that the cover of Lovedrive was done by the award-winning firm "Hypgnosis," the graphic studio responsible for all the covers of Pink Floyd from 1967 (even though at that time there was only Storgeson) all the way to Division Bell!! Excuse me if that's not enough...
Scorpions Lovedrive
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Yes Brusko... I've always preferred it to the more praised Holiday... Even though the Ballads with Roth were IMHO something else... :-))