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Damn, I can't even turn around for a second before post-punk shifts to the right :D Ah, but luckily it’s just Italy's joke magazine. Seriously: do you really think that a little article where the JD are "partially" quoted for some bullshit by Ferry can be compared to a statement from the JD that supposedly declaimed on stage the claims about Hess that has been talked about for 140 comments? If so, I'd say that's it. I deliberately skip the "problem of far-right post-punk": I wouldn't know what example to bring, and I know post-punk quite well. Throbbing Gristle has been neo-Nazi for ages, but that wasn’t what we were talking about. In any case, the victim of thought is responding promptly to everything, while others have skipped every single question (but maybe after reading between the lines of JD's lyrics, you've found a blank line: c'est la vie).

Just to change things up, glossed over everything, obviously calling me a communist, more blatant nonsense with Nietzsche (who, yes, was completely misinterpreted by the Germans). To conclude beautifully: "all the images of holocaust that Joy Division used on An Ideal for Living were intermediated by pop culture although their experience of the Holocaust event were direct and personal. "The [Second World] war left a big on me, and the sleeve was that impression. It wasn't pro Nazi, quite the contrary. I thought, fashionable or unfashionable, what went on in the war shouldn't be forgotten," said in 1994 Bernard Sumner who designed the sleeve.32". Plastelin - Online magazin - Prijatelji: Joy Division But I'm sure you know the JD better than the JD themselves, I'm sure.

And it continues to be completely false: Hess, as has been repeated to exhaustion, was taken as an ideal because he had been locked away for decades, isolated and presumably mad. There is nothing political here; the situation mirrors that of Sid Vicious, the swastika on one side as an iconoclastic provocation, Hess as an example of the "ideal for living," madness, loneliness.
That's why I say you want to politicize the unpoliticizable: to demonstrate that Curtis is fascistoid, you pull out very uncertain references that perfectly align with his artistic ideology and not at all with his presumed political ideology (why these "references" to Hess? Exactly to the "collaborator" whom Hitler himself considered his traitor?) but above all because the lyrics show no trace of antisemitism, or any "classical" religious references, or any reference to the Nazi übermensch (which is very different from the Nietzschean one)? Why does the name of the band derive from two places of decay and perdition like Joy Division or Warsaw? Why is the cover of this album the symbol of Nazi unawareness, the sacrifice of the innocent (which in theory - for Curtis - should be on the "right side," right?)?
In any case, I’m very interested to know about the lyrics. Like which ones?

In parentheses, the "constant references to Hesse" are *a quote* at the end of a concert. The end.

No offense - it is still unknown where such an assumption would come from: they were attracted to the Nazi aesthetic as a source of pain and perdition, and this is evident (3rd comment, please), everything else is just deductions.
Or was Sid Vicious a Nazi too? If someone votes conservative, does that make them a Nazi?
No offense, I’ve just asked the same question for 130 comments, and I'm still waiting for an answer.

Well, the fact is that comment n. 124 hasn't produced a single piece of evidence, except for an unverified biography (and from someone who has just a bit of a grudge). It's really hard to understand what drives this (ridiculous) urge to politicize a band that had absolutely nothing political about them, and even more so to politicize them "Italian style," where if the JD aren't on the right, they must be on the left, and anyone who raises the usual hundreds of objections about this is seen as a petty Marxist from a social center. I repeat, over the years people like Lou Reed (hilarious), Faust, Hammill have been labeled as right-wing, and none of them actually were. Others, however, like Death in June, indeed were, mainly because they confirmed it. You can cheer as much as you want, but if you don’t have a shred of evidence (zero references in the songs, for example - not even at the level of being able to suppose some existence of a God from the JD's songs, for instance), it would at least be better to eliminate the smugness.

LOL! Do you think it’s me writing bullshit? No, it’s just another one who’s messing with you for being the bullshit that you are. Didn’t register because you’re a bullshit? Your problem, you get the fakes.

I don't see any addresses. Don't you want me to come visit you, caghella? You act tough and when it's time to step up, you behave like a coward? Come on, caghella, give me a name, an address, it's not that hard. Or do you just talk big as an anonymous and then you're a little shit behind the computer? Come on, caghella, change your underwear and find the courage, I mean, at least register, so we can associate a nickname with the coward you are, and ignore you. Caghella :D

Not to break the idyll, but as soon as you finished your arguments (about 30 posts), you called me Melandri, so the first one to throw it into a brawl was undoubtedly you. For the record, I have NEVER threatened you (you have), I have NEVER insulted you or your family (you have, repeatedly), I have never accused anyone of hiding behind a nickname (which you don’t even have). And I’m not going to let you pass for anything, you give yourself way too much importance. YOU started bringing up leftist politicians for me (and it’s enough to follow Debaser for a while to know that I am as left-wing as Cicciolina is a virgin), and YOU still need to argue what you’ve said. So stop whining, if you want to discuss, discuss; if you don’t want to, then don’t, no one is forcing you. Sure, if you want to indulge in some of the most childish behaviors ever seen around here (and believe me, it takes a lot of effort), like "since I don't know how to respond, I’ll hit you," don’t expect waves of admiration – obviously you’re being mocked – which is quite different from attacking. The one who attacked is once again you; do you expect me to give you a flower and a CD?

Ah, don't waste your breath talking nonsense about me, it doesn't touch me in the slightest :) I understand that you've stuck labels on "Jan Curtis" thanks to a little book by a cuckold, but you know even less about me, which turns what you say into the useless ramblings of a recently beaten-up kid (not much to say here, all black on white :)