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Instead of getting upset about the filthy nonsense that lord wrote about the stooges, I have to watch this pretazzo go through the usual charade with 3 lines copied from Franci, are we joking?? I’ve been reading his ideas for years, and since we are not born knowing everything but rather learn things because we’ve read them somewhere (only pretazzo was born a genius and a connoisseur), I’m not here to cloak myself in the air of a refined connoisseur like certain pretazzi do. I’m here to open as many minds as possible; I don’t give a damn if someone points out that I copied 4 lines from the internet.

Copied? In case I read it, read it, understood it, lived it, and made it mine, it's logical that if I hadn't read it, I couldn't have copied it. Pretazzo, you’ve been doing nothing but copying how Fraci, Nunziata, Scaruffi, and someone else from Onda Rock write for a lifetime, and you come here to bother me?? Come on, I don't feel like arguing, just send the email to Tommy; I get chills from fear, look.

My goodness, what must one do to interact at least a little without losing the central LOGOS? It’s already so difficult to change other people's perceptions, especially through a medium like the Internet, and if those people carry significant prejudices regarding everything that has happened since ’77, well then it’s tough. The problem with these people — I’m referring to Dave Jon and others who have this type of issue — is that for them the significant events of rock ended in 1975, a sort of apocalypse where everything that followed has been nothing but a rejection, a vomit to clean up and forget about. However, struggling not to settle for spiritual harmony simply because it is indeed SPIRITUAL HARMONY set against a simple rock band that is not prone to neuroses, a band that WANTED TO MAKE SOME SANE ROCK (this is what it means to be superficial, dear Dave Jon). Since we are talking about music, thus art, and about value — good, elevated, poor, whatever you wish — if you keep saying that you only care about feeling good, we’ll stop here and close the discussion; it’s not worth it. LED ZEPPELIN is a hard rock or blues rock band, whatever you want — what significance do the lyrics have in hard rock songs? They have a trivial significance; it’s not the priority in the context, but it’s not a flaw for the music itself, which, I reiterate for the umpteenth time, I enjoy listening to. I can say so far that I have lived an epic life full of excesses where I certainly didn’t hold back, and hard rock has played a significant role in expressing my personality. Content-wise, hard rock is nothing but a completely unoriginal rehashing of the three programmatic concepts of American popular music from the ’50s: sex, drugs, and rock n’ roll (after all, it’s well known that sex, drugs, and music excite the same brain areas; evidently, hard rock has a greater power for simpler brains or those less educated in other types of music). What do I mean by this? I mean that hard rock doesn’t give a damn about lyrics; it’s not the function of hard rock to present elevated lyrics, precisely because they want to communicate basic, raw things. Hard rock wants to convey the joy of living without worries, unlike punk, which expresses other feelings, perhaps opposites, frustration and anger, nor like primordial blues, which certainly didn’t want to express a silly joy of living. Hard rock is the musical and existential creed of the proletarian warrior, who, in the scenario of the industrial metropolis, relives the coarsest, most bombastic, and superficial feelings inherited from the most deleterious romanticism. Hard rock is neither blues (too hard) nor metal (too blues): because of its mediocrity and immediacy (not to mention predictability), it will also possess some very trivial and predictable themes. The Zeppelins wrote ballads too, and there they could have easily crafted some good lyrics, but nope, not even that. You tell me I can’t compare Cohen to the Zeppelins, and why not? In the ballads, I can certainly compare their lyrics and discover that Cohen is an artist in the true sense of the term, while Robert Plant is a crafty fool. The “ballad” present in every self-respecting hard rock album is steeped in the most sentimental and tear-jerking theme of some misfortune occurring between lover and beloved (he leaves her or she leaves him, but the memory will remain forever). It all boils down to this, devoid of any horizon other than dancing and orgasm, and it’s useless, Dave Jon, for you to say that it’s not like that because in thirty years of hard rock, one cannot identify a hard rock lyric that can be called a great text of literature like Dylan’s. Historically, it’s like that. So forget all the Celtic references you say you’ve picked up; they’re the dregs of a fool who had to dumb down the lyrics to fulfill the contract binding him to the record label — nothing but inspiration or ecstasy. Got it, you silly boy?

superkangaroo has already somewhat answered you about why Zeppelin's lyrics are crap, but let's analyze one thing for a moment: we all have different tastes. For example, you might like a Dave Jon song with AC/DC-style lyrics about beer and sleeping with women, and you believe it to be the pinnacle of songwriting art, while for others, it might not be. Take "The Lemon Song," for instance, an old black blues classic reinterpreted by Led: it goes something like this: "Bitch, squeeze my lemon ’til the juice runs down my leg." Now the point is this, and you have to answer me: is this a good lyric for you?? Is this originality for you?? Keep in mind that I took a line from an old black blues song, because if I were to delve into the deadly crap birthed by Plant's pen, this subjective stuff about lemons, fellatio, sex, and beer is the NORM; they acted this way, and maybe we shouldn't even get too worked up about it—they were a rock and roll band, not existentialist poets. But since there have been Dylans, Cohens, and Caves in rock music who have written many Nobel Prize-worthy lyrics, I think it’s fair to say what the Led Zep lyrics are worth, which is dry crap.

he could contain it if Page's ability to reach ecstasy was truly real, but we are in the world of rock, of sex drugs and whores, we are not dealing with alchemists like Aleister Crowley and Theodor Reuss, so I would be more inclined to rule out any real reference to the Megatheiron 666 or the Golden Dawn.

See, Dave Jon, the lyrics of "Stairway" actually have no demonic or liturgical symbolism as you might have believed for 20 years of your existence, but you know, having such a beautiful sound score, so evocative (and here I admit the beauty of the song, as you can see I am a free man of ideas), someone came to believe that the lyrics of "Stairway" carried an invocation to the devil in hieroglyphs or things like that, the backwards tape for example. Come on, let's wake up, rock isn't esotericism. Maybe read the Necronomicon if you want to understand why the lyrics of "Stairway to Heaven" are LIES; but then what do I want to highlight with the word "lies"? I want to point out that the piece has nothing transcendent or mystical in terms of references to who knows what occult force. Do you want to do it like in school, little Dave Jon? Like Leopardi read aloud? Have you ever read Crowley? Rimbaud? Or have you only read Robert Plant?

I answered your question, and you made completely unfounded accusations that I cannot stand Eastern philosophies and that's why I don't like certain symbols of Led Zeppelin. I just replied to you, little man Dave Jom :-) LOL, I actually put up with those things; what I can't tolerate are the mental confusions of little kids in front of their idols.

where did I write that I know more about esotericism than Page??? ehehehe it's nice to make up complete nonsense when you don't know what the hell to respond anymore LOL

Yes, but not in the philosophy of Thelema, not with the teachings of Crowley, not with the intermediate stages and the basic chakras; his is a more Westernized yoga.

we are truly in the final stage, okay I'll try anyway: when I talk about shitty lyrics I'm just stating the truth, it's obvious that I'm referring to the few original things that came from the pen of that great lyricist which is Plant, not from the lyrics of Dixon or Muddy Waters (do you really think you can respond to me like that, I mean come on, try in some other way Dave Jon), I wouldn't even want to get into sterile controversies about esotericism and Eastern philosophies since I practice many of those philosophies, I'm interested in Qabbalah and Alchemy, I practice tantra, I'm a fan of Aleister Crowley and have always been interested in esotericism, I try to put into practice magick, his text, and I also engage in magical sex trying to retain the seed to expand it through the chakras as Crowley taught to Thelema, Page was also a follower, but since I don't give a damn if someone else is a follower of Crowley, if I say they are not original, I say it and that's it, even if Page has always intrigued me more as a guitar icon than as a real composer, I am a free man unlike you Dave Jon if you really want to know. Billy Corgan born in 1967 has written infinitely more beautiful and substantial lyrics than Robert Plant, here no discussions are accepted, come on don't hurt yourself anymore. Look at the lyrics of "Zero," where do you find that in Zeppelin??? Esotericism in "Stairway to Heaven"? nice music but the lyrics are a lie, they served to create an effect, to fill the suggestive carpet, or do you perhaps believe that Plant went into ecstasy like in the Necronomicon spells?? please even kids don't believe that, Plant has had a lot of sex, Page too, they've done drugs and taken some ecstasy but leave aside the esotericism of Crowley and sexual magic in tantra which are not things that concern you, little boy.