Omeganex9999

Well embryo, you’ve never read a text by Dream Theater, which I consider true masterpieces, if you tell me they have epic tones and compare them to Blind Guardian, since Prog Metal and Power Metal have ABSOLUTELY nothing in common, except that currently power bands are all choosing a more technical path to vary a music that is static in itself. If you want to know what Progressive Metal is beyond Dream Theater (a band I love, but that I don't consider the best at anything), I’ll only mention Pain of Salvation (Remedy Lane), Queensryche (Operation Mindcrime), Fates Warning (A Pleasant Shade of Gray), Mind'eye (Walking on H2O), and the Devin Townsend Band (Synchestra), so maybe you’ll change your mind that Progressive = Hypertechnical (after all, even Tool are classified as such). I don’t judge expressiveness based on the success a band achieves! It’s simply easier to express certain feelings in a certain way (Taking Nu Metal, it talks about Discomfort, Anger, and feelings that I also initially experienced, and that I still feel, but in a different way, which no longer reflects in that music). The question of solos and virtuosity is not exclusive to Nu Metal, since, just as punk stripped rock of all its technicality to make it more immediate, Nu Metal has taken it away from Metal, but by removing one of the cornerstone elements of the Hard Rock/Heavy Metal spirit (Guitar Heroes were born with these genres), you inevitably mutate the genre into something that will detach from it. By all means, I repeat that technique is absolutely not a necessary thing, and despite what one might think, I am someone who cannot stand too many virtuosos, but if they really add something to the piece I’m listening to, I’m happy they’re there (Listen to the solo of Under a Glass Moon by Dream Theater or of Ashes by Pain of Salvation (very different from each other) and tell me they’re both there for self-celebration). Finally, I’ve repeated 2000 times that the early Korn were not commercial and definitely much more admirable than what they did in Follow The Leader (which I find quite irritating... I prefer something from the albums that came after at this point). SEPHIROTH: I don’t care about classifications, but if I'm suggested to listen to Pop songs, I can’t help it if I start with prejudice... and even if I listened to a band years ago, you can still like it (I never said that Nu Metal is all unlistenable or that it should all be thrown away, ON THE CONTRARY, I said you should listen to what you like and that gives you emotions), but the doubts about the objective value of the group/genre you listen to arise when you start to listen to all the rest of the music. That’s it.

There is nothing more right than listening to what you enjoy; the important thing is to never lose your critical sense. Unfortunately, I make the mistake of trying to make certain things understood that only experience can teach, because in the end, we've all been through it! When I was younger and more inexperienced, I too would elevate bands of much lesser importance than that of Korn and ignored music that I now find unattainable from any point of view. The important thing is to listen as much as possible to form your own, increasingly complete idea of music. Sorry if it seems like I'm speaking like a teacher, but that's my way of writing. ;)

Well, I honestly don’t understand if I’m dealing with people who can read or not! I am REALLY FED UP with being accused like this of things I didn’t say. I’ll respond one last time to each of you:
COOLORAS: Let me be clear that this battle of yours in defense of Nu Metal started out of nowhere. In fact, I never said that all Nu Metal is crap; I only said that it has an adolescent way of presenting itself, and I say this as someone who listened to the bands you mention a few years ago when I connected with them. DID I HAPPEN TO SAY THAT HIP HOP IS ALWAYS IN NU METAL? I simply responded in opposition to what you said (JAZZ! JESUS, YOU BROUGHT JAZZ INTO THIS!). Regarding ethnic music, I mentioned Korn and Soad, saying I appreciate that too. SHOULD I HAVE CITED ALL THE OTHERS TO PROVE I KNOW MORE THAN YOU? No, brother, it's not a competition to see who can name the most bands. But anyway, this isn't an innovative thing; ethnic music in rock and metal has existed since before the rise of Nu Metal, and in an incomparable way compared to these guys! A name? Area.
SEPHIROTH (a nickname I cherish): WHO EVER SAID KORN DIDN’T INVENT A GENRE? I completely agree on this, and they have their own importance in their little way, but outside of that, classic metal has remained the same, and Nu Metal had to forcefully separate itself from the rest, and I didn't decide that, but those who listen to metal did. Can you compare that to the breath of fresh air that Black and Death metal brought? I’m not talking just to talk; I repeat (in case you’re reading random words) that I talk about Korn because I've heard them, but more than anything I’d like to tell you with great pleasure that taking one of my phrases out of context to turn it against me is one of the most idiotic things I know! "But okay, I understand that I'm used to hearing architects, and these are bricklayers... I hope I've made myself clear." That was referring to TECHNIQUE, since the genre I usually listen to is progressive! Do you have doubts about the correctness of my statement? If so, write to Santa Claus for a new brain, because from what I see, yours is broken...
EMBRYO: "It managed to make metal a more expressive music accessible to everyone, after long years of hyper-fast solos and often self-referential themes." Here we’re not on the same page at all! Metal became more expressive with Nu Metal? Oh my! Probably, when you say more expressive, you mean more accessible and melodic, in short, a synonym for making it accessible to everyone (I HOPE ARDENTLY)? But making a music that not everyone can appreciate (because it’s more complex than "commercial" genres) accessible means DEFORMING that particular genre of music by merging it with something that is more acceptable to the masses. Basically, you're saying my same things but looking at them positively! I understand perfectly that these are tastes, and I’d never say if they are right or wrong, but telling me that all pre-Nu Metal is made of solos and virtuosic displays for their own sake makes me throw my hands up! And it’s not true that Nu Metal lacks spectacle because they put on some great shows; I just don’t understand where this intensity you mention is... maybe in those lyrics that I find adolescent, which are fine up to a certain age, but then you start looking for something deeper in every sense. And I say this as someone who always looks at lyrics to fully understand a band.
I hope I’ve made myself clear to everyone since it seems to me there is a festival of misunderstandings and baseless attacks here, which unfortunately always ends up boring me quite a bit.

No, buddy, it’s not that if you go on TV you’re a sellout, or that if you have money you’re necessarily mainstream, but all the "good" bands get known in other ways, not thanks to the TV appearances that your label assigns you. Anyway, the discussion is taking a wrong turn; I just started by saying that what was said in the review about the importance of Korn and the classic nature of their songs was definitely up for debate. Period.

CoolOras, if you talk about jazz while discussing Nu Metal, you don't know what jazz is. As for ethnic music, I appreciate Soad as I mentioned before, and I don't mind the bagpipes that Jon occasionally strums, but folk music is unmatched for these guys, and industrial, oh dear, I really don't want to comment on that. Anyway, every genre has its commercial side, created for the masses because it's easily digestible, and Nu takes heavily from THAT side of the various genres you've talked about. Are we talking about Hip Hop, with its simple melodies, monotonous lyrics, and endless appearances on MTV? Come on, spare me the boredom of answering you...

Being a sidekick to a famous group does not imply any quality equal to or close to it... As for the theme of "Adolescent Music," I refer to the themes used and the way of presenting oneself. Metal is not just about wanting to smash everything, as is often believed at a young age, and I consider 17-18 years old still to be within the adolescent phase (Fully Teen-Ager). I never said that Korn aren't worth listening to or that they shouldn't be listened to; don't misinterpret my words (they are still my opinions)! If you like them and they give you emotions, then your listening is welcome, but here we are talking about the importance of the band, and that is what my discussion is based on. There is no conflict between Metal and Nu Metal, but only between good music (Made "with the heart" in my opinion) and crappy music (Made for money). These guys, probably starting with good intentions, have ended up heavily on the other side, and that is the worst thing a music group can do for me.

I heard a few tracks (My girlfriend likes them) but I mainly gave the rating for the concept of "album-joke" it represents! As for waking up the 90s, if you read my previous comment, you'll see that I completely disagree, quite the opposite in fact. You mention Pantera, and I regret not mentioning them first, as they are THE band of the 90s. To assess the significance of a band, you only need to look at how it influences the musical landscape, and if we consider this, Korn haven't impacted Metal in any meaningful way; they've simply made it mainstream at a time when it was experiencing a resurgence as an underground phenomenon, which is somewhat of a considerable merit. You say you have a good knowledge of the genre, and I don't want to stand here giving any lessons (I'm no one, just to be clear), but I suggest you research and listen to some of the music produced during that period and judge for yourself whether Korn really marked the awakening of the 90s (I mentioned 3 albums that are far too classic in their genres, and they were only examples, obviously)...

I didn't say that the Soad are technical; I said that NO nu-metal groups know what technique is. To Sir Headly: I find the early Korn nice, but despite that, I can't see nu-metal as the natural evolution of metal, nor do I see the vital essence you speak of. Don't forget that in the 90s there were further branches of metal, and an infinite number of genres were created (Death, Prog, Black are metal branches that fully developed in the first half of the 90s). At the time "Korn" was released (1994), masterpieces like Awake (Dream Theater), De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas (Mayhem), Individual Thought Patterns (Death) came out for me, and in the years to come, there were still great masterpieces. I find NuMetal to be "adolescent" music (like punk) that simply fused metal (in terms of instrumentation and sonority, but without the depth of the genre) and "commercial" music (understood as mainstream music), useful for bringing young people closer to a genre that has proposed (and still proposes) music of an infinitely higher level.

Sir Headley, if I had seen your comments in the other reviews meant to insult me earlier, I wouldn't have responded; I really wasted my time. The important thing is that from now on I know I’m dealing with a kid, so I won't put much effort into it anymore.

Thank you, how old are you? 12?