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The important thing is that everything is subjectively objective.

<<<And he expects to be right too>>> Oh yes, after all, how can we argue with him? For him, it is just like that.

And what about the raspone story? But then, have you decided on objectivity/relativism which one bothers you more or are you still at sea?

"the soft machine are expressive and the ubu are mental wankers, for you the exact opposite" another bucolic bullshit, I allowed myself to say that not a single track of the Soft machine convinces me, not the entire work of the Soft machine." Come on, I knew too well that was the little hook you were hanging onto! It’s clear I was referring to slightly all time!

Anyway, big laughs about the "point in pride"... but about what? :)

What’s your idea? The one that you don’t like relativism, or the one that you don’t like objectivity, depending on how the discussion goes? As long as no one dares to tell you that you’ve said nonsense, calling an idea about a genre (even!) a simple impression based on some records, with which instead of having the humility to stay quiet you come up with theories on jazz vs rock expressiveness? What is it that I’m supposed to respect?

Anyway, this thing about "proportional" discs had nothing to do with it, since I specifically asked what your favorite instrumentals were, and you can twist it however you want. I couldn't care less about your tastes, whether you hate Bitches Brew. As for your bullshit theories on expressiveness, keep them to yourself, oh, I’m not trying to convince you. It's just that if you ask "what do you think?" I say it's nonsense, and it's worth exactly as much as what davejon says about pere ubu or the residents, absolutely analogous: for him, Soft Machine is expressive and Ubu is just mental masturbation, for you, the exact opposite: quite curious, right? In short, same-identical-plane. The Morphine in that track plays jazz rock, it's neither rock nor jazz, and anyway, in the end, your reasoning in terms of genres (uninspiring jazz/expressive rock) is an impressive piece of nonsense.

But why are you writing in uppercase? Do you think I can't read?

<<<as long as everything is rebuilt later with a new and understandable meaning.>>> As I’ve already told you, I’ve had similar discussions where people (I think with davejon, who is really into soft machine, and then with lord) said that Pere Ubu, Residents, and similar things make music that is all just a trick, like “let’s make incomprehensible noise, so they’ll say we’re cultured,” which is the same nonsense you’re talking about regarding something else (specifically, Bitches Brew, and all the jazz you’ve heard). In short, it is taken for granted that when one says “understandable,” it refers to what one personally comprehends, thinking that everything that isn’t immediately understood is labeled as a trick. No one thinks, “I don’t understand it; maybe it’s my limitation,” or “maybe I need to listen more,” instead, they think, “I don’t understand it; it must be a trick.”

<<<The modern dance". Oh my. And you want to compare it to BB for cerebral qualities?>>> Actually, the comparison was with slightly all time. Just know that here on Debaser, I ended up discussing with people who like the Soft Machine, and I defended Pere Ubu, whom they defined as something like clever avant-garde. So if you don't like Sentimental Journey, why not Chinese Radiation, or why not Laughing? I mean, "I don't like jazz because it's cerebral, in fact I don't love slightly all time" and yet you love Modern Dance?